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    Is the economy improving? Simple question. I wonder about those people who pretend ( I assume) to be dumb and create unrealsitic expectations for this president. Most objective folks (and statistics show) say that when Obama got into office the country was hemorraging jobs and the economy was shrinking. We lost many of these jobs during his first 6 months in office that were the result of econmoic policies of the prior congresses and president. That is a fact. I am not saying the guy is perfect because he is not but to ignore reality and deny the improvement of the economy is intellectually dishonest.
    Well...yes and no.

    If by "improvement" you mean "better than it was when he first got here", then you would be right to a point but there were already people predicting that the consumer confidence and the market as a whole would be coming back up at around the time it did. By this definition though the economy has definitely recovered under Obama. It looks like there's more jobs and consumer confidence is better than it was when he first came to office.

    However, if by "improvement" a person means "headed back in the right direction long term", there's more room for interpretation there and I can see how someone would reasonably argue that there hasn't been a true recovery.

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    if Japan is any indication, slow GDP growth patterns can prevail for decades.

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    how'd that one go, again?

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    Heard a crazy statistic driving to work this morning from someone from the local food bank. There are 270,000 people in Bexar County alone with Lone Star Cards. (for those that aren't from Texas, that's our food stamps)

    WTF? And our economy is supposed to be relatively good here...(7% unemployment)
    Have you ever looked at the poverty statistics for San Antonio? Unemployment isn't everything.

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    1.7 million people in Bexar county. 20% under poverty level. Thats 340,000 people.

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    Why worry about that when we have a war on woman and dog abuse?
    Gotta take time from the war on christmas sometime.

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...193090&page=11

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    Have you ever looked at the poverty statistics for San Antonio? Unemployment isn't everything.
    There's lot's of jobs here. I should know, I have three.

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    The indicators are there. I should know, I have them

    Union Pacific Corp. said Thursday its first-quarter net income jumped 35 percent as the railroad hauled more cars and crude oil. CSX said earlier this week that its net income jumped 14 percent. Both railroads were hauling more containers of consumer goods and both were able to increase rates enough to offset a decline in coal shipments after a mild winter.

    "The economy is stable and slowly growing," said Jack Koraleski, Union Pacific's president and CEO. "We're seeing some generally positive trends."

    Many people will be encouraged by the reports because the major freight railroads are considered indicators of the nation's economic health. The amount of cars, chemicals, crops, lumber and containers of imported goods that railroads carry across the country offer insight into those industries
    http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...APF/1204191036

    Many Republicans would like to disassociate themselves with the horror that was the Bush Administration...Like they never happened..

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    There's lot's of jobs here. I should know, I have three.

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    War on Poverty. War on drugs. Class warfare. War on Terror. Etc. They all use the same type rhetoric.
    The war on terror is an actual war though.

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    1.7 million people in Bexar county. 20% under poverty level. Thats 340,000 people.
    with almost 30% of San Antonio residents having more than a high school diploma...

    What is the poverty line defined as?

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    I'm surprised you aren't linking your posts?

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    S.A. wages among lowest in the state

    San Antonio-area salaries were the lowest among the largest cities in Texas last year and trailed the median salary paid workers nationwide by 13 percent, estimates from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show.

    The San Antonio area, which covers Bexar and seven surrounding counties, had 843,960 jobs as of the May 11 count that paid a median hourly wage of $14.40.

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...#ixzz1sgEHMsWt

    2000 x 14.40 = $29K/year, 50% of SA workers make less that $29K, and most often have no paid holiday or sick days, no benefits, and pay more in total taxes than the SA 1%.

    aka, The Wealthiest Country In The History of the Universe.

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    FYI...

    2080 is the correct number of hours to compute annual wages from. Not 2000.

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    What is the amount? How much does someone earn to be considered under poverty line?

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    FYI...

    2080 is the correct number of hours to compute annual wages from. Not 2000.
    50 x 40 is for most low-end people who don't have vacation or sick days.

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    How can you call me a Dubya supporter when I think it's highly possible that 9/11 may have been an inside and that Dubya and Uncle may have been in on it?

    To give Obama credit for improving the economy is like giving credit to the dentist for cleaning your teeth. Dentists don't clean teeth. Their little helpers do.

    I don't think Obama sucks because he's an evil liberal, or a socialist, or that he's half black. I think Obama sucks because he told all of us that he was gonna be a change from Bush and that he was going to put the country on a new direction. I know politicians lie but it was just comical how it turned out. And no, I didn't think Obama was going to be a miracle worker and fix everything like his koolaid drinkers did. Obama is like Bush but on steroids. Obama has expanded the government way more than Bush ever did. Obama and Bush are big government expanding presidents. They love big government expansion.

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    "he told all of us that he was gonna be a change from Bush"

    you were naive to believe that. The wealth and UCA runs the country, not the federal govt, and certainly not the President. If you want one-man rule, move to a country of a dictatorship or kingship.

    The key change for me was that he was not a Repug. The key disaster now would be to change back to Willard Gecko with Repug control of Congress.

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    To be honest, I didn't think he would be a change from Bush. I only point that out because a lot of his supporters and koolaid drinkers don't want to admit that. They cannot stand the fact that their guy is no better than the idiot we had before him.

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    To be honest, I didn't think he would be a change from Bush. I only point that out because a lot of his supporters and koolaid drinkers don't want to admit that. They cannot stand the fact that their guy is no better than the idiot we had before him.
    i dunno what hope and change u guys were expecting, is there a country thats run successfully by a black man? lol africa

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    The war on terror is an actual war though.
    In what sense? The armed forces are involved? By that definition so is the war on drugs.

    In my book a war is declared formally by Congress against a nation-state not just some nebulous opposition to social movements, religions, or classes of people.

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    i dunno what hope and change u guys were expecting, is there a country thats run successfully by a black man? lol africa
    And Aussies reputation as the most bigoted s around continues. South Africans and Alabamans give you guys a run for your money though.

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    The uptake in private sector jobs is being offset by public sector layoffs dominated by state/local govt layoffs in REPUG STATES.

    Repugs doing their best to increase and prolong the economic pain in the election year.

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    In my book a war is declared formally by Congress against a nation-state not just some nebulous opposition to social movements, religions, or classes of people.
    Short book, eh?




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