A high school teammate of mine had both of his balls ripped completely off, and still kicked 4 field goals in the second half. But that's really not that big of a deal, I guess, since he used duct tape. I mean, it could have been worse.
He knew Harden was there and it was intentional to throw the elbow. It was an aggressive act that he did not consider the consequences when he did it. He was just trying to get him off from bumping into him and went overboard.
Did any of you ever play any sports? When the adrenaline is flowing and you are in game action these type of things can happen.
Thanks. I guess it's confirmed then.
In that case I think he should be done for the year and possibly even banned. Playing with Artest on the floor is becoming too much of a risk.
Yeah, good luck arresting a player for a foul during a game, however intentional or dangerous. Even a civil court would hesitate to touch that. Given that MWP couldn't see where his elbow was hitting, no sane officer of the law would touch that.
If players aren't arrested for assault during stopped play when actual fights break out, you honestly think there would be criminal charges brought against someone who committed a hard foul (however intentional or dangerous) during play of a game? Riiiiiight. Especially in LA.
Unbelievable.
If anything, if the location of the hit is most important, the suspension should be for even longer. Depending on where the hit was, a sharp direct blow to the side of the head is the classic description usually given for an epidural hematoma. In that case, a concussion would be the least of Harden's problems.
It didn't caused that type of damage. So no need to make those type of assumptions.
uhhh....
The location looked very close to the skull and spinal cord close the the back right under the ear. That is not a good spot. You can never tell from the outside how much acceleration the brain and associated parts undergo. And just because he gets back up does not mean he is ok.
My cousin ran his bike right into the back of a mail truck. he got right back up said he was fine. Later on his pupils changed size and he started throwing up. To the hospital. Boxers have died a day or two after a fight after feeling fine. Its very hard to from just what you see. He will get the proper care and hopefully he is fine. But to proclaim it a bump from just the video is ambitious optimism even though I hope you are correct.
Suspend for year.
I don't know. Haven't hockey players been taken to court over hits before? I'm fairly certain that there's at least a few in-game checks that had the police investigating anyway.
Courts/the police generally try to avoid cases like that but in a situation where say Harden's ability to make a living was compromised due to struggling with a concussion, I'm not sure that a civil court would have a problem hearing him out if he decided to sue Artest.
That said, I'd be surprised if Harden/OKC pursued that route.
I'm not saying it should happen here, but don't act like it's out of the question. And don't forget that Artest has been found guilty of a crime for fighting during a basketball game. I know the cir stances were different, but it's still going to count against him - a lot. Maybe no criminal charges come of it, but I think it's pretty likely that the league sends a message over this one. After the brawl in Detroit, Stern can't afford to ignore it. If they had been playing in Oklahoma, a local prosecutor might feel the same way.
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http://www.thesportsiq.com/violence-in-sport/
That wouldn’t be unprecedented. Since 1969, at least 11 instances in professional hockey have resulted in players facing criminal charges for actions during games. The most notable recent incident occurred in 2004, when Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head and then fell on top of him. Moore suffered a broken neck and a concussion, ending his career. Bertuzzi was charged and later pled guilty to assault causing bodily harm.
In March of this year, an 18-year-old Canadian was arrested and charged with assault after he allegedly intentionally tripped a referee during a hockey game.
Other sports aren’t immune to this type of behavior resulting in criminal charges. Just search the terms “game, player, assault, charges” on Google and 28.1 million results are produced.
Five players were charged after a brawl between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons in 2004, with several Pacer players (most notably Ron Artest) going into the stands to fight Detroit fans. All five players were found guilty and were sentenced to a year of probation and community service.
Other instances have resulted in criminal assault charges being filed against soccer and football players for headbutting or in basketball for fights that break out on the court.
He should be suspended indefinitely until Harden returns to game action. Then tack on 3 games for being a repeat offender.
No. You're "unbelievable", actually. *TSK*
Yes.
I did not throw high elbows with that force. And I got knocked out taking a knee straight to the temple and suffered a concussion. I was checked for swelling and fluid buildup as this can kill you. And you cannot see it from the outside. I bled down the back of my throat for a week because I had sinuses crushed. It was more than just the temple. People who do not get knocked out are sometimes the most vulnerable to long term damage. See Ali...
That really hurts OKC since they are so reliant on their big 3. It seems like the only way the Lakers can beat the Thunder is by resorting to cheap shots. The Thunder should want to face them in the playoffs to exact some revenge.
The difference in most of these instances and what happened was intent. A prosecutor would have a of a time proving anything other than a hard foul to clear space since MWP was not even looking at Harden. Yes he knew someone was there, and yes, he threw and elbow in a viciously unnecessary way and yes, it was a cheap shot and yes, the league should punish him for that.
But good luck with criminal charges. Far more deliberate actions have happened on court with no charges - because it's difficult to prove.
The brawl was a different situation because that was a fight that went into the stands and could have incited a riot. This was an elbow thrown in the course of game action.
As for civil cases, yes, that would be a possibility if Harden were unable to play again, but it would take years and go through a whole lot of out of court negotiations.
rascal with the bads in this thread, per his usual.
Ummm... so if you shove someone into traffic, and the cars all manage to avoid hitting him, it's no big deal? If someone fired a gun at you, but just nicked you, you'd just go have a beer with them and laugh it off? I mean, why make assumptions about what could have happened, right?
I don't think you even believe the you're saying.
We don't know what type of damage Harden has at this point so your point saying it did not cause that type of damage is moot for now. For your reference, any type of hard force being hit to human's head is considered dangerous. It doesn't matter where it get hit. There are tons of incident of people getting hit in the face or neck being able to walk for a day or two and need to get hospitalized afterwards. This type of injury can be internal.
Well, . Now Clarance ing Darrow weighed in.
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I've been laughing for about 20 mins @ rascal say he'd get up from that hit.
There'd be a 5 page "RIP rascal" thread by now if he ever got an artest elbow to the head.
lol GSH I was thinking of a car accident assumption as well but couldn't come up with a perfect situationNice job with this one
Of course there would be a big difference if the cars hit and injured or killed the guy then if the cars missed the guy. Charges for attempted murder are not as bad as murder.
I would not only have gotten up I would not have even fallen down.
Of course OK City will say Harden has a concussion. They need to milk this incident to get a longer suspension. They are afraid of facing the Lakers and will need all the help they can get.
...You can't be serious.
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