Why haven't the Spurs giving Duncan an extension?

[007nites]

I heard SJAX has been getting Duncan to do hoodrat things, and Pops is NOT happy about it.

Don't know if it will affect a contract extension per se, but may hamper negotiations...

[spectator]

do you guys think that timmy may strike a deal with the spurs so that he takes a huge pay cut only if the spurs can attract a marquee name in the off-season (e.g. eric gordon)?

i know that gordon would probably not come here, but say that is a given for conversational purposes. do you think timmy would be ok with 5 mil per. the spurs would be huge taxpayers next season, but iirc the contracts of manu and jax expire after that, giving the spurs more flexibility for the long term.

if i were duncan, i would take the cut.

[Richie]

Give him 2 years 20 mil.

This would be perfect. £20m next year, vet minimum the year after

[Wild Cobra Kai]

do you guys think that timmy may strike a deal with the spurs so that he takes a huge pay cut only if the spurs can attract a marquee name in the off-season (e.g. eric gordon)?

i know that gordon would probably not come here, but say that is a given for conversational purposes. do you think timmy would be ok with 5 mil per. the spurs would be huge taxpayers next season, but iirc the contracts of manu and jax expire after that, giving the spurs more flexibility for the long term.

if i were duncan, i would take the cut.

Taking a pay cut from $20M a year to $10M a year isn't huge?

[letmk]

do you guys think that timmy may strike a deal with the spurs so that he takes a huge pay cut only if the spurs can attract a marquee name in the off-season (e.g. eric gordon)?

i know that gordon would probably not come here, but say that is a given for conversational purposes. do you think timmy would be ok with 5 mil per. the spurs would be huge taxpayers next season, but iirc the contracts of manu and jax expire after that, giving the spurs more flexibility for the long term.

if i were duncan, i would take the cut.

It's possible that Tim wants to see if the Spurs can get a nice free agent pick before making decision, but Eric Gordon? Really?!

[LonghornMike]

That's the way I see it too Timmy won't try to break the bank, my wish is we win this year he'll sign for a decent number and then we talk KG into coming to the Spurs for three years and we rack up two more in 3 years and Timmy heads out with 7 rings suck on that Kobe and MJ.

If the Celtics blow it up and KG is out looking for a team with a legit le shot and a veteran culture , where would he want to go besides SA? LA, Miami, Dallas, Chicago? I'd be scared to see where he falls, because he can still be a defensive force and provide some offense.

I know it's a little early to start thinking free agency, but now I'm intrigued. If Duncan takes a paycut, I can see them ditching Diaw's contract too and getting another long big that can spread the floor. Garnett tops my list, followed by Camby, Hibbert, Ryan Howard. I like the idea of these guys with size and a jumper that can guarantee that Blair stays at the bottom of the big-man rotation.

[Richie]

Unless Duncan signs for the vet min, a paycut isn't going to make a difference because of SJax's contract. Hence why he signs to get 2 years worth of money (~$20m) all next season and signs for < $5m for 13-14. $25m over 2 years but we get a lot of cap sace to work with from 2013 onwards

[Richie]

As for Garnett, maybe he resigns with Celtics for $20m/2years, they aren't compe ive next season so blow it up, we trade SJax's expiring for Garnett so they have cap room to give Howard a max contract in 2013 Free Agency

Not likely.

[007nites]

As for Garnett, maybe he resigns with Celtics for $20m/2years, they aren't compe ive next season so blow it up, we trade SJax's expiring for Garnett so they have cap room to give Howard a max contract in 2013 Free Agency

Not likely.

Duncan and Garnett tandem could work.

[Richie]

Duncan and Garnett tandem could work.

Absolutely, we would be amazing defensively with a frontcourt of Duncan/Garnett/Leonard, I say not likely because I just don't think it would happen.

[Obstructed_View]

Why would you want Eric Gordon?

[Mal]

Duncan and Garnett tandem could work.

Nope it wont. Not this time. Having 74 years old frontcourt isnt good.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Garnett is DONE, oh, and he hates Peter Holt after the CBA negotiations. NOT going to happen.

[szkorhetz]

Garnett is DONE, oh, and he hates Peter Holt after the CBA negotiations. NOT going to happen.

Garnett is done? WTF? have you seen him recently? He is playing amazingly effective.

[Duncanonu]

I hope they agree on a number for two years, for example 25 million. But instead of signing him for two years and splitting the money, sign him for 1 year at 21 million. Next year won't matter, we are over the cap anyway. Then after next year give him the remaining 4 mill, and be players in free agency as well. Of course this requires trust that Timmy will honor the gentleman's agreement, but I'm fine with that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I hope they agree on a number for two years, for example 25 million. But instead of signing him for two years and splitting the money, sign him for 1 year at 21 million. Next year won't matter, we are over the cap anyway. Then after next year give him the remaining 4 mill, and be players in free agency as well. Of course this requires trust that Timmy will honor the gentleman's agreement, but I'm fine with that.

Well it would matter as they'll try to bring Lorbek or re-sign Diaw, re-sign Danny Green or find a replacement who'd have to be paid as well. If they're ever bringing De Colo too it's this summer. So, no, they can't afford to give him a 1 year 21 million contract.

[$pursDynasty]

Garnett is DONE, oh, and he hates Peter Holt after the CBA negotiations. NOT going to happen.

Is the militant member of the players association more important to him than possibly winning another ring. Now I haven't followed the Peter Holt/Garnett CBA issues, but I find it hard to believe that IF the Celtics are blown up Garnett would prefer to miss out on a chance on a run of two or three more championships to end his career just because he doesn't care for the GM. EVERYONE works under someone he doesn't necessarily care for but he is a vet player so his need for interaction with the GM isn't that necessary. The Celtics and Doc and the Spurs and Pop have a lot in common from a mindset standpoint, a standpoint that has served KG well. Would he prefer to join a Heat or Thunder team that flies in the face of the Pop/Doc mindset. When looking ahead to next year and what I think this team needs to make the most out of the end of TD's career, KG seemed like the best possible choice. I know it isn't likely but the fit seems to be good and I would doubt KG would be against it just because he didn't like how the Spurs GM approached the CBA negotiations. You can get over that, sort of like how nobody liked Bill Laimbeer EXCEPT the people that played on the team with Laimbeer.

[$pursDynasty]

Just saw Magic Johnson hinting at Him seeing Duncan retire after this year, got me to thinking, why haven't they giving him an extension? Thx spurs peeps.

as for Magic I think it is just wishful thinking on his part. He wants Tim gone so he can maximize the number of 's his Lakers can get before Kobe hangs em up and the Lakers go thru another dormant phase.

[Mel_13]

Is the militant member of the players association more important to him than possibly winning another ring. Now I haven't followed the Peter Holt/Garnett CBA issues, but I find it hard to believe that IF the Celtics are blown up Garnett would prefer to miss out on a chance on a run of two or three more championships to end his career just because he doesn't care for the GM. EVERYONE works under someone he doesn't necessarily care for but he is a vet player so his need for interaction with the GM isn't that necessary. The Celtics and Doc and the Spurs and Pop have a lot in common from a mindset standpoint, a standpoint that has served KG well. Would he prefer to join a Heat or Thunder team that flies in the face of the Pop/Doc mindset. When looking ahead to next year and what I think this team needs to make the most out of the end of TD's career, KG seemed like the best possible choice. I know it isn't likely but the fit seems to be good and I would doubt KG would be against it just because he didn't like how the Spurs GM approached the CBA negotiations. You can get over that, sort of like how nobody liked Bill Laimbeer EXCEPT the people that played on the team with Laimbeer.

1. Holt is the owner, not the GM.

2. If Garnett was going to chase a ring, then Chicago is the logical destination. He went to HS in Chicago and Tom Thibodeau was the defensive architect of the Garnett's championship team in Boston.

[Richie]

1. Holt is the owner, not the GM.

2. If Garnett was going to chase a ring, then Chicago is the logical destination. He went to HS in Chicago and Tom Thibodeau was the defensive architect of the Garnett's championship team in Boston.

How would he get to Chicago though? They are way over the cap and so free agency is out, I don't see Chicago giving up Noah or Deng for him and dont think Boston would take Boozers massive contract if they want to rebuild.

The only scenario I see us getting him is if we trade SJax's expiring for him so Celtics can take a stab at Howard. They trade away Allen for a similar expiring and they open up enough cap space to give Howard the max and give Pierce another shot at a le with Rondo and Howard.

[Mel_13]

How would he get to Chicago though? They are way over the cap and so free agency is out, I don't see Chicago giving up Noah or Deng for him and dont think Boston would take Boozers massive contract if they want to rebuild.

The only scenario I see us getting him is if we trade SJax's expiring for him so Celtics can take a stab at Howard. They trade away Allen for a similar expiring and they open up enough cap space to give Howard the max and give Pierce another shot at a le with Rondo and Howard.

The same way he'd get to SA in the fantasy post I quoted, by taking much less than market value for his services.

Garnett isn't coming to SA, it's ridiculous on several levels.

Your Sjax scenario is also pure fantasy. Why would Boston take back SJax to help KG get to SA via a S&T? Makes no sense.

Next year's Spurs will look much like the team we have now. Let's hope that they can keep Diaw or sign Lorbek.

[Richie]

The same way he'd get to SA in the fantasy post I quoted, by taking much less than market value for his services.

Garnett isn't coming to SA, it's ridiculous on several levels.

Your Sjax scenario is also pure fantasy. Why would Boston take back SJax to help KG get to SA via a S&T? Makes no sense.

Next year's Spurs will look much like the team we have now. Let's hope that they can keep Diaw or sign Lorbek.

Well the Celtics aren't going to get past Chicago or the Heat in the East with their ageing big 3 + Rondo, blowing it up and taking a run at Howard seems like the best move for them. I don't see anyone giving up any top level young talent for 36 year old Garnett and Allen in a trade so what options do they have other than free agency?

I agree the idea of us getting Garnett for SJax's expiring is far fetched, but if they were hypothetically trying to dump Garnett at next years trade deadline, is one contract not as good as the next?

The whole premise was based on the Celtics coming to the conclusion around the trade deadline next year that they can't win the le with their current roster and decide to trade the oldest pieces

Like I said originally, not at all likely I just like playing GM

[Mel_13]

Well the Celtics aren't going to get past Chicago or the Heat in the East with their ageing big 3 + Rondo, blowing it up and taking a run at Howard seems like the best move for them. I don't see anyone giving up any top level young talent for 36 year old Garnett and Allen in a trade so what options do they have other than free agency?

I agree the idea of us getting Garnett for SJax's expiring is far fetched, but if they were hypothetically trying to dump Garnett at next years trade deadline, is one contract not as good as the next?

The whole premise was based on the Celtics coming to the conclusion around the trade deadline next year that they can't win the le with their current roster and decide to trade the oldest pieces

Like I said originally, not at all likely I just like playing GM

Garnett and Allen will be FAs this summer. They won't be on the Celtics at next year's trade deadline unless they are resigned this summer. The easiest way to create cap space is just to allow their contracts to expire.

[Richie]

Garnett and Allen will be FAs this summer. They won't be on the Celtics at next year's trade deadline unless they are resigned this summer. The easiest way to create cap space is just to allow their contracts to expire.

But why do that if they can resign them and then trade them for expirings + picks, i.e. SJax + a late first and/or a second? They are players who still have value to a contender, if the contender has the right expiring to make it work for the celtics

Plus resigning them at least gives you until the trade deadline to assess where Howard will be after his surgery and get an idea of where he will want to go in Free Agency, rather than go all in this summer.

Of course the other option is that they choose a similar deal as Duncan will hopefully get, give Garnett $20m next year and a low salary the year after on a gentlemans agreement and try to keep Garnett AND add Howard, although such a thing would be much riskier for the Celtics than it would be for Duncan and the Spurs

[spursince#99]

It's really because Timmy is about to D-12 Popovich.