Basketball IQ

[InK]

i'll say Gary Neal has very good Basketball IQ, he just short, not overly skilled, slow and unathletic, but he still know how to be useful and effective, and he gets the most out of his abilities in a honorable manner and anytime that happened it's testify for hige IQ.
besides, playing in unnatural situation for him, having to play out of position, running the point and doing it relative well and successful is also an evidence for hige IQ.

The only thing Neal sees on the basketball court is the rim and he plays accordingly. Saying he maximizes on that skill set doesnt really mean he has BBIQ, just means he is realistic ( if we are kind) in differentiating what he can and can not do.

[Blake]

ability to run a team!

Manu does that from the 2.

Manu is a point guard in a 2 guard body, tbh.

[kobyz]

Manu does that from the 2.

Manu is a point guard in a 2 guard body, tbh.

but Manu can't defend the point and if he would have to run a team in a constantly way it will wear him out, generally Manu is a two guard!

[Blake]

but Manu can't defend the point

He can't?

News to me.

and if he would have to run a team in a constantly way it will wear him out, generally Manu is a two guard!

So you're saying the reason he's not a 1 is because he's not durable and can't defend other point guards?

Neat.

[ohmwrecker]

He can't?

News to me.



So you're saying the reason he's not a 1 is because he's not durable and can't defend other point guards?

Neat.

Kind of like saying TP isn't a PG because his assist stats aren't in double figures, right?

[Mel_13]

You guys are getting trolled. Arguing this point without a common set of criteria as to what defines a PG is committing yourselves to a battle with no chance of winning.

[ohmwrecker]

Mel_13 with the obligatory "you guys are getting trolled" goods.

[Blake]

Kind of like saying TP isn't a PG because his assist stats aren't in double figures, right?

No.

You said TP has a "classic set of point guard skills"

Define "classic set of point guard skills."

While you're at it, please do me a favor and define "classic set of shooting guard skills" so that we can be on the same page. Thanks.

[Blake]

Arguing this point without a common set of criteria as to what defines a PG is committing yourselves to a battle with no chance of winning.

Pretty much.

[ohmwrecker]

No.

You said TP has a "classic set of point guard skills"

Define "classic set of point guard skills."

While you're at it, please do me a favor and define "classic set of shooting guard skills" so that we can be on the same page. Thanks.

Nope. Defining SG skills has nothing to do with my argument. You brought Manu into this. You're deflecting. I'm not playing.

I will defend my statment by defining what I believe to be classic PG skills:

1. Running the offense (calling plays and sets, execution)
2. Ball handling and passing (low turnovers, court vision)
3. Lane penetration (collapsing defenses, opening perimeter)
4. Shooting and scoring (decent outside shot to keep defender honest and abilityto finish in the paint)
5. Defense (keep opposing PGs from accomplishing 1-4)

[Blake]

Nope. Defining SG skills has nothing to do with my argument. You brought Manu into this. You're deflecting. I'm not playing.

I'm not deflecting. A list of shooting guard skills would be great to check off to see which Tony fits into more.

I will defend my statment by defining what I believe to be classic PG skills:

1. Running the offense (calling plays and sets, execution)
2. Ball handling and passing (low turnovers, court vision)
3. Lane penetration (collapsing defenses, opening perimeter)
4. Shooting and scoring (decent outside shot to keep defender honest and abilityto finish in the paint)
5. Defense (keep opposing PGs from accomplishing 1-4)

1. A. If Gary Neal can do it, is it really a skill?
1. B. Manu runs the offense at times. Is he a point guard?

2-3. Doesn't Manu do that from the 2?

4-5. Pretty standard skills at any position.

You've helped further convince me that Manu is really a 1.
Not much there to convince me that Parker isn't more of a true 2 than a 1.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm not deflecting. A list of shooting guard skills would be great to check off to see which Tony fits into more.



1. A. If Gary Neal can do it, is it really a skill?
1. B. Manu runs the offense at times. Is he a point guard?
Dgf
2-3. Doesn't Manu do that from the 2?

4-5. Pretty standard skills at any position.

You've helped further convince me that Manu is really a 1.
Not much there to convince me that Parker isn't more of a true 2 than a 1.

Again, I am not debating whether or not Manu possesses PG skills. I defined and defended my statement that was in response to your assertion that Parker is not a PG because he does not average double figure assists. The point which you continue to evade and deflect.

[Blake]

Again, I am not debating whether or not Manu possesses PG skills. I defined and defended my statement that was in response to your assertion that Parker is not a PG because he does not average double figure assists. The point which you continue to evade and deflect.

lol evade and deflect. My opinion must mean a lot to you.

His low assist totals are just one of several reasons I don't see Tony as a classic point guard.

[ohmwrecker]

lol evade and deflect. My opinion must mean a lot to you.

His low assist totals are just one of several reasons I don't see Tony as a classic point guard.

Not really, no. You're engaging me as much as I'm engaging you tbh.

Why don't you define the specific skills Parker lacks that keeps him from being a PG despite the fact that it is the position that he actually plays?

[Blake]

Not really, no. You're engaging me as much as I'm engaging you tbh.

you engaged first. I'm just being polite.

Why don't you define the specific skills Parker lacks that keeps him from being a PG despite the fact that it is the position that he actually plays?

Plain and simple, he's a scorer more than a passer. Is that something that anyone really disagrees with me on?

[ohmwrecker]

you engaged first. I'm just being polite.

OK

Plain and simple, he's a scorer more than a passer. Is that something that anyone really disagrees with me on?

So, he's a scoring PG? Was Isiah Thomas a PG or a SG? Are you suggesting that Parker has no passing skills?

[Mel_13]

Plain and simple, he's a scorer more than a passer. Is that something that anyone really disagrees with me on?

4th in the NBA in assist % (trailing only Nash, Paul, and D. Williams):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...der_by=ast_pct


12th in the NBA in point per minute:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._by=pts_per_mp

The objective evidence says that he's a PG who scores very well.

[ohmwrecker]

A scoring PG it is! Are we done now?

[Blake]

So, he's a scoring PG?

Imo, yes.

A 2 guard in a 1 guard's body, imo.

Was Isiah Thomas a PG or a SG? Are you suggesting that Parker has no passing skills?

Isiah averaged 9 assists for his career. Easily a point guard.

And no to the 2nd question.

Lol clearly my opinion doesn't matter to you.

[ohmwrecker]

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Imo, yes.

A 2 guard in a 1 guard's body, imo.



Isiah averaged 9 assists for his career. Easily a point guard.

And no to the 2nd question.

Lol clearly my opinion doesn't matter to you.

So, according to you a player is a PG if they average over how many assists for their careers?

[Blake]

So, according to you a player is a PG if they average over how many assists for their careers?

I've never really thought much about it.

I just know that Tony's career assist average is rather low to call him a classic point guard.

[Blake]

Next up: my opinion on whether Duncan is a true power forward or not.

[ohmwrecker]

Next up: my opinion on whether Duncan is a true power forward or not.

Will that one end terribly with you resorting to "you care about my opinion" schtick?

[Mel_13]

Ranking all players who played at least 100 games over the past 20 NBA seasons in terms of assist percentage. Tony Parker ranks 38th out of 1040 players at 32.5%. For comparison, Isiah Thomas ranks 21st at 36%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...der_by=ast_pct