Can anyone provide a link or quote to these "lies" that Zimmerman told?
z provided the proof. god bless your feeble mind.
Can anyone provide a link or quote to these "lies" that Zimmerman told?
I'll bet they can show a few links of the hype the media types told, and construe them as lies. I've seen very few direct quotes from Zimmerman.
Maybe chump can start a thread just for clambake to give us a list of lies the Zimmerman told. God bless
judge will have to address the lie. just sit back and finish you cereal.
you think lying to the court about not having money is just hype?
Bless your heart. Judge can't address what you are accusing him of. You made it up because you are angry and want revenge. God bless
"Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing."
the guy blew 54K in 2 months.probably never seen that kind of money before.
ask your church to pray to god for lying about the money.
No one posted anything, so I guess Zimmerman is still innocent.
Last time I ask because i dont want you to feel stupid for keeping avoiding the question. Where is the proof you speak of brother?the guy blew 54K in 2 months.
ask your church to pray to god for lying about the money.
Envy is one of the seven deadly sins. Envy causes unhappiness. As you can see by your irrational and unreasonable conclusion, that Zimmerman is a liar, that your envy of Zimmerman has made its ugly arrival into your head. I will pray for you, brother. God bless
"Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth."
Last edited by jack sommerset; 04-30-2012 at 09:49 PM.
Damn you guys are lazy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...YsT_story.htmlThe social media campaign is the latest move by the O’Mara Law Group to help improve Zimmerman’s image after a tumultuous few months in the court of public opinion. Earlier this month, Zimmerman set up his own unpolished Web site to solicit funds for himself.
That site was shut down last week, just days before the legal team launched GzLegalCase.com. On Friday, the Associated Press reported that while shutting down the site, his lawyers learned from Zimmerman the site raised more than $200,000 — a fact that was not disclosed when they told the judge overseeing Zimmerman’s case that Zimmerman would have trouble raising money for his bond.
He stated in his bond hearing that he would have trouble raising money for the bond. His lawyers said that he had not disclosed the amount of money he had received from donations.
Zimmerman did not 'lie,' but it definitely points to a deceptive nature. Deception does not always come in the form of a lie.
Well I can't speak for anyone else but I can certainly say that I don't fit the preconception you have about most Zimmerman supporters. I realize you said it's multi-faceted, I guess I fall under that...
I'm a liberal, atheist, democrat, Obama voter (going to vote for him again too, although with considerably less enthusiasm this time... my biggest gripe with him is that he's nowhere near liberal enough... like he touted himself to be.)
I found out about this story from The Young Turks on March 8th, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CcVCoU-elc in that video.
If you're unfamiliar with them, they're a very liberal web based news program whose host briefly had a show on MSNBC and has one on Current, Al Gore's network.
They presented it as basically GZ = racist white devil gunning down innocent little black child for no reason other than being black.
I pretty much bought that narrative for about a week... but meanwhile, I was still in the habit of going to local Florida news affiliate websites that I picked up on during the Casey Anthony trial, which I was ravenous for any and all details/videos/commentary I could get on. That's when I found the witness John's interview with the Fox station down there. That started me on a journey toward re-evaluating my view of it... it was slow, at first the most I was willing to grant was that maybe they both did stupid things that night, but GZ was definitely still a huge idiot in my eyes.
Well, to try to abbreviate this long story a little... where I stand now is that I basically fully support GZ, I no longer think ANY action he took that night was unreasonable, or questionable. I think he behaved in a brave fashion in an attempt to look out for his community. I think he was put in a horrible situation by Trayvon, and I think he showed great restraint in doing his best to absorb the blows Trayvon was giving him with his arms, shifting himself away from the pavement, etc for a full minute... I think his account that Trayvon went for his gun and threatened him, which I was initially very skeptical of, is most likely true. I think it is probably the one reason a man who had been avoiding using the gun prior to that, and knew the police were likely to arrive at any moment... and that neighbors might be watching exactly what was happening, would feel he had to act, and act then. I think in a burst of adrenaline he gained control of the gun from Trayvon, and probably barely saved his own life.
I don't know if Trayvon really would have beaten him to death, or shot him, I tend to doubt it... but Zimmerman certainly had every reason to fear that scenario. I think self-defense is clear, and completely justified here.
Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a tragedy that Trayvon is dead and I feel awful for his parents. I'd like to think the "thug" crap was just a phase, and a lot of teenagers pull that crap... they dress the thug way, listen to the corresponding music, act hard online or around their friends... smoke weed, etc. I think all of that can be forgiven. I think, in fact, I can even forgive up to the point where he sucker punched Zimmerman (although I can *barely* forgive that, but if you're a 17 year old hot head teen thug, and you really think GZ might be some sort of threat... which btw I don't believe he thought, I'm just trying to be as charitable here as possible...) but what I cannot forgive, at all, in any way shape or form... is straddling a stranger and slamming his head on the pavement. Whether that was 1 head slam, or 10. And can anyone still question whether this at least happened a few times, after the injury photos?
I get criticism for taking GZ's story as true, but I've yet to be given a good reason to doubt his word.
As for this stuff about the $200,000 in the PayPal account... has anyone been able to demonstrate yet that he knew about it prior to the bond hearing? Keep in mind, he was probably the only one with the login, and even if a family member shared access to it, consider how incredibly hectic his life was at the time he had set that up. It wasn't up for that long prior to him being arrested and charged.
A lot of us can't imagine a situation where you might not be able to check something like that at any time... but consider it. You've got lawyers calling you, you've got family talking your ear off, you're a nervous wreck and you are trying to reach the prosecutor to talk to them, you are watching the news, you just set up this PayPal and website, and from the look it had, you clearly weren't some sort of web pro... the guy may not have thought to really check how much money had come in during that incredibly hectic period of time.
Frankly though, here's where I'll get a little controversial. Even if he knew about the $200,000. Even if he, in fact... exaggerated stuff about Trayvon threatening his life and going for the gun (which I stress, I do not believe he did, just sayin'...) when a man acted in legitimate self-defense, which the injury photos and what John saw are enough on their own to prove beyond any reasonable doubt... if that man chooses to embellish to game a system which has shown that it is prepared to charge him when it legally shouldn't, and possibly end up convicting him when it legally shouldn't, I give him a complete green light to lie a little here and there to reduce the chances of him being unjustly burned at the stake to appease stupidity.
Because I feel that the core fact is, he did not desire to come into direct contact with Trayvon, and it was Trayvon's choice for there to be a physical altercation, and ultimately Trayvon's choice to put himself in a position where a man had to shoot him.
Oh btw, sorry this was so long. This is my first post here. I will also confess to not caring at all about football, I registered here because I have a great craving to discuss this topic haha
Finally! Someone who thinks of football when they hear about "the Spurs".
That said, welcome to the forum.
With respect to the bolded, you should probably read the transcript from the hearing. There's a lot of inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story but the biggest one is with respect to him getting his head pounded into the pavement. Judging by the detective's responses, it looks like Zimmerman did hit his head on the cement but the truth is he didn't get his head bashed into it repeatedly.
Here's the relevant portion (that I've already posted a couple of times) as well as the link:
"The prosecuting attorney, after saying "I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today," is back to ask questions of state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, after O'Mara asked questions challenging the state's assertions.
The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes."
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/20...rge-zimmerman/
So if his self-defense claim (that hinges on a savage and unprovoked beating) is true, then why exaggerate an important point like that? While he's probably not guilty of Murder 2 based on what we've seen, I think manslaughter+ a civil suit would be appropriate.
tbh the case is so dependent on whether george can be trusted to tell the truth, cuz he stalked and killed the other side of the story.
he already lied about the money. this is a fact.
LOL, just wiki'd the Spurs, so it's a basketball team eh? haha. Sorry. I don't care about any sports, at all. Never have. Apologies for the stupid error.Finally! Someone who thinks of football when they hear about "the Spurs".
That said, welcome to the forum.
With respect to the bolded, you should probably read the transcript from the hearing. There's a lot of inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story but the biggest one is with respect to him getting his head pounded into the pavement. Judging by the detective's responses, it looks like Zimmerman did hit his head on the cement but the truth is he didn't get his head bashed into it repeatedly.
Here's the relevant portion (that I've already posted a couple of times) as well as the link:
"The prosecuting attorney, after saying "I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today," is back to ask questions of state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, after O'Mara asked questions challenging the state's assertions.
The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes."
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/20...rge-zimmerman/
So if his self-defense claim (that hinges on a savage and unprovoked beating) is true, then why exaggerate an important point like that? While he's probably not guilty of Murder 2 based on what we've seen, I think manslaughter+ a civil suit would be appropriate.
Only reason I chose the Seattle team is I had to pick one, and I live near Seattle.
Anyway, I watched the bond hearing in it's entirety and have been paying very close attention to all of the developments, I was in no way impressed by what Gilbreath half-heartedly pseudo-kinda-eluded to there. I'm surprised you were
Btw is it just me or does "Gilbreath" sound like the name of an elite quest target Murloc?
Last edited by Geosurface; 05-01-2012 at 10:04 AM.
were you impressed with how he lied about the money?
did you ask if anyone can prove he knew about the money?
he's already spent 54K. his attorney already stated that he spent it on "rent and whatever."
you could easily look it up.......if you wanted to.
Okay well, his website, while it was still up, said: "funds provided [will be] used only for living expenses, and legal defense."
So let's think about this a bit more carefully... I have some questions for you:
- Do you agree that a lot of the donations which brought that total up to $200,000 may have come in immediately prior to, during, and immediately after the bond hearing itself? That would be incredibly logical to assume.
- Do you agree that in the hectic period immediately leading up to the bond hearing, he may have been rather preoccupied by finding out if he was being charged/arrested, etc, and may not have had a lot of ability to check the account between being charged and having his bond hearing?
- Will you agree that this is an entirely new situation to this man to be having to appeal to the general populace to help him fight back against the incredibly unusual cir stances he finds himself in?
- Would you agree that a man who may not have dealt with PayPal much before, and certainly not in amounts like this, may not have been entirely sure those funds were legitimate and could truly be relied upon to be extractable? I think someone who isn't very versed in PayPal might assume it could fall prey to the same sort of "fake high bid on a ghost in a jar on ebay" syndrome, where some of that money might be phantom and never actually see the light of day.
- Would you agree that when he said "living expenses and legal defense" he probably mostly had attorney's fees in mind? rather than bond?
- Would you agree that when you find yourself in a situation where you and your family members may have to be quitting their job to avoid possible attempts on their life, or extreme harassment at a minimum, and that you and some number of your immediate family had to move out of your own houses, possibly multiple times, and a situation where you and possibly other members of your family found maintaining their previous employment untenable might be the sort of situation which could generate a lot of unusually high and unexpected expenses?
so, he spent 54k of the money but didn't know he could use it?
so, he had to move all his family and help them find new jobs?
so, he thought the money was "mostly" for attorney fee's, yet he hadn't given any to his attorney?
so, he stalks and kills the kid, yet he considers it an incredibly unusual cir stance?
so, you still don't believe his attorney when he said george spent it on rent and whatever?
and i never saw his website. can you show me?
Does there even have to be head pounding for this to be self-defense?
IF Trayvon went for the gun, doesn't it automatically become self-defense?
I knew this zimmerman cat was a self hating loser. He wants to be white so bad its disgusting. look at this clown's myspace profile.
George Zimmerman’s past has once again caught up with him. A MySpace page from 2005 was uncovered with Zimmerman going under the profile name “Joe G” and the username “Only To Be King."
STORY: Zimmerman's Lawyer Addresses Trayvon Martin's Family
In his blog section Zimmerman writes:
Good news???? Bout Damn time!!!!!!!
2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!
Out come of first case......
Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges......
The first comment refers to Zimmerman’s altercation when he was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an underage friend of Zimmerman's at a bar.
Zimmerman would later avoid conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.
The second comment refers to a 2005 incident when he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.
In Zimmerman’s About Me section he writes:
"I know alot of yall hatin cause im out and aint ever goin back, i used to look at people like me the same way. Can you really hate on someone for improving thier life? I love the fact that I can still go back home and crash on my boys couch as if i had never left, I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister and he's at my house with his boys on bikes before i hang up with her! They do a year and dont ever open thier mouth to get my ass pinched. My cousins the cruzado's damn i love yall, shirley and frank DONT PLAY! I gotta be honest I miss that.
I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"
This MySpace discovery provides a little bit more insight to the mind state of George Zimmerman, you can view the page by clicking here.
Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-z...#ixzz1tdbKEiZN
I used to live in Seattle actually. Gorgeous city. The football association is so impressive to me that I can't even get mad at you for not caring about sports.LOL, just wiki'd the Spurs, so it's a basketball team eh? haha. Sorry. I don't care about any sports, at all. Never have. Apologies for the stupid error.
Only reason I chose the Seattle team is I had to pick one, and I live near Seattle.
Anyway, I watched the bond hearing in it's entirety and have been paying very close attention to all of the developments, I was in no way impressed by what Gilbreath half-heartedly pseudo-kinda-eluded to there. I'm surprised you were
Btw is it just me or does "Gilbreath" sound like the name of an elite quest target Murloc?
It's not just that. If the head pounding doesn't match the forensics and most of Zimmerman's exaggerations/lies are at precise legal points, I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecution attacked his credibility as a part of their case.
Don't get me wrong, Murder 2 is almost certainly the wrong charge but I'd say there's room for manslaughter there as well as a huge lawsuit imo.
There has to be reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm iirc. If his head isn't being pounded repeatedly into the sidewalk then Zimmerman (after following the kid, mind) doesn't really have a leg to stand on there because he's the one who pursued Martin. A broken nose isn't life-threatening or a proper justification to shoot. Since Zimmernan's defense has so far rested on being beated savagely by Trayvon, I'd say that this evidence is actually going to be a serious problem for him.
If anything the kid had more right to reasonable self-defense. Maybe because you're guys, you don't fully understand how threatening Zimmerman's actions were leading up to this.
Last edited by TheSkeptic; 05-01-2012 at 01:19 PM.
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