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    I don't find anything about this case funny. Tragic? Yeah. Funny? No.

    I'm just not as obsessed about the defense fund as you are.
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    I'm just not as obsessed about the defense fund as you are.
    i'm not obsessed with the fund at all.
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    People behave in strange ways when they're put in strange situations. Strange and hectic situations. You have Trayvon's mom copyrighting his name... you have GZ possibly omitting info about money that may have been relevant at the bond hearing...

    And then you have online posts from both shooter and shootee which paint them in a negative light.

    But instead of getting lost in the weeds of all of that, let's just look at the most bare, hard facts we know of that evening itself:

    - GZ involved police
    - GZ had bloody wounds to the back of his head (fits his story)
    - GZ had broken nose (fits his story)
    - GZ was seen underneath TM being beaten and screaming for help by witness "John" (fits his story)
    - TM had powder burns on his hoodie indicate a very close range shot (fits GZ's story)

    Some people still debate who was screaming. But here's a little quote I thought was quite apt that I saw somewhere else:

    "Suddenly you hear screaming for help in the room next door, Frantically you try to enter the room but the door is locked! After several attempts you are able to bust down the door and enter the room.The men are separated. One has a bloody nose, a split lip and is bleeding from the back of the head. The other has no marks of a fight. For $100, who was the one screaming for help?"
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    People behave in strange ways when they're put in strange situations. Strange and hectic situations. You have Trayvon's mom copyrighting his name... you have GZ possibly omitting info about money that may have been relevant at the bond hearing...

    And then you have online posts from both shooter and shootee which paint them in a negative light.

    But instead of getting lost in the weeds of all of that, let's just look at the most bare, hard facts we know of that evening itself:

    - GZ involved police
    - GZ had bloody wounds to the back of his head (fits his story)
    - GZ had broken nose (fits his story)
    - GZ was seen underneath TM being beaten and screaming for help by witness "John" (fits his story)
    - TM had powder burns on his hoodie indicate a very close range shot (fits GZ's story)

    Some people still debate who was screaming. But here's a little quote I thought was quite apt that I saw somewhere else:
    "Suddenly you hear screaming for help in the room next door, Frantically you try to enter the room but the door is locked! After several attempts you are able to bust down the door and enter the room.The men are separated. One has a bloody nose, a split lip and is bleeding from the back of the head. The other has no marks of a fight. For $100, who was the one screaming for help?
    That reminds me of this quote I found:

    you open the door to a room and there are two people behind walls which prohibit you from seeing them. But a voice tells you that behind one wall is a black kid with grillz and behind the other is a man with the last name "Zimmerman". For $100, who's guilty of doing something that made them need shootin'?
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    Trayvon was the one screaming for help obviously. Why would GZ, a woman beater and cop beater be crying for help?

    Trayvon was just trying to get home and give his little brother some skittles before robocop came and intimidated him, causing Trayvon to fight for his life. I can't imagine the fear that young man experienced when GZ stalked him and flashed his gun at him. smh.
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    Trayvon was the one screaming for help obviously. Why would GZ, a woman beater and cop beater be crying for help?

    Trayvon was just trying to get home and give his little brother some skittles before robocop came and intimidated him, causing Trayvon to fight for his life. I can't imagine the fear that young man experienced when GZ stalked him and flashed his gun at him. smh.
    Looks like it's all in your imagination to me.
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    i like how this guy has focused on gz story. which is good cuz two people know the story, but only one can tell it.

    and we already know that gz is a liar.
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    Some have said it doesn't make sense that it was Trayvon crying out because he really wasn't hurt or anything.

    But new speculation is that after he saw the damage he was doing to Zimmerman's head, he was actually calling out for someone to help them.
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    Some have said it doesn't make sense that it was Trayvon crying out because he really wasn't hurt or anything.

    But new speculation is that after he saw the damage he was doing to Zimmerman's head, he was actually calling out for someone to help them.
    I'll pass on that hypothesis.
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    I'll pass on that hypothesis.
    because he's black?
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    he could have been a much better thug if not for affirmative action
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    Why do you always make things about race?

    No. I just think it's ridiculous.

    Would you do that? Hit someone several times, then scream for help, for them?
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    Why do you always make things about race?

    No. I just think it's ridiculous.

    Would you do that? Hit someone several times, then scream for help, for them?
    Maybe. If I was just trying to protect myself but ended up going overboard.
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    Why do you always make things about race?

    No. I just think it's ridiculous.

    Would you do that? Hit someone several times, then scream for help, for them?
    Sure if you weren't intending to hurt that person seriously. But since we already know that Zimmerman wasn't receiving that savage of a beating I highly doubt it. That said, I'm happy that he's getting a trial and even if the jury decides to let him walk I'm holding out hope for a hefty lawsuit.
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    Zimmerman is SO gonna be found not guilty.
    Given the case the state has given so far I would agree with you. The case is going to be tried in a FL courtroom however. we know one tenant of the state's case afaik.
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    Sure if you weren't intending to hurt that person seriously. But since we already know that Zimmerman wasn't receiving that savage of a beating I highly doubt it. That said, I'm happy that he's getting a trial and even if the jury decides to let him walk I'm holding out hope for a hefty lawsuit.

    I can live with this. I would also like for him to be exiled. He's gotten away with beating up an ex wife, an ATF agent and killing an unarmed kid. No telling what GZ has up his sleeves next.
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    I can live with this. I would also like for him to be exiled. He's gotten away with beating up an ex wife, an ATF agent and killing an unarmed kid. No telling what GZ has up his sleeves next.
    IDK. I don't have a problem with a big ass lawsuit. But as for Zimmerman, maybe this is the best thing that could have happened to him. If he hadn't done this, it's possibly that his anger would keep escalating until the next time he was in a confrontation. As unfortunate as this incident is, it may actually be saving the life of an innocent person later.
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    big lawsuit=zero cash
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    IDK. I don't have a problem with a big ass lawsuit. But as for Zimmerman, maybe this is the best thing that could have happened to him. If he hadn't done this, it's possibly that his anger would keep escalating until the next time he was in a confrontation. As unfortunate as this incident is, it may actually be saving the life of an innocent person later.

    I'm sure GZ is sorry and remorseful, most criminals are when they get caught. They try to find God and become productive citizens then fall right back into the same trap.

    I don't know how much of an impact the killing of an unarmed child can have on GZ but I hope this is the end of his reign of terror, but my gut feeling is this guy isn't sincere with his actions.

    I can only speak for myself but if I was in his position I would have made every attempt possible to contact the Martin family to express my condolensces. I wouldn't have hid, I wouldn't have made a website to get money from strangers. I would have released whatever photos I had earlier, etc. As a man I don't think I could live with myself knowing I killed an unarmed kid. I would have faced the public scrutingy LIKE A MAN.
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    I'm sure GZ is sorry and remorseful, most criminals are when they get caught. They try to find God and become productive citizens then fall right back into the same trap.

    I don't know how much of an impact the killing of an unarmed child can have on GZ but I hope this is the end of his reign of terror, but my gut feeling is this guy isn't sincere with his actions.

    I can only speak for myself but if I was in his position I would have made every attempt possible to contact the Martin family to express my condolensces. I wouldn't have hid, I wouldn't have made a website to get money from strangers. I would have released whatever photos I had earlier, etc. As a man I don't think I could live with myself knowing I killed an unarmed kid. I would have faced the public scrutingy LIKE A MAN.
    But also, don't forget the life path Travon chose. We won't know for sure, but it's also likely that he might have killed or seriously hurt someone in the future and that by Zimmerman shooting him, he saved those lives as well.
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    But also, don't forget the life path Travon chose. We won't know for sure, but it's also likely that he might have killed or seriously hurt someone in the future and that by Zimmerman shooting him, he saved those lives as well.
    What path are you talking about? Trayvon didn't have a criminal record. GZ however terrorized his ex wife and a ATF agent.

    Trayvon could have been president, could have found a cure to cancer, could have went on to play for the Spurs, who knows. I can say by GZ murdering Trayvon in cold blood took millions of lives with him as well.
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    What path are you talking about? Trayvon didn't have a criminal record. GZ however terrorized his ex wife and a ATF agent.

    Trayvon could have been president, could have found a cure to cancer, could have went on to play for the Spurs, who knows. I can say by GZ murdering Trayvon in cold blood took millions of lives with him as well.
    Just because he didn't have a criminal record doesn't mean that he wasn't doing very bad things. There's probably lots of gangsters that don't have a criminal record until they get caught for killing someone. I would hate to think that GZ let a potential killer and/or rapist walk away. Can you imagine how mad you'd be at Zimmerman if Travon killed someone you cared about?
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    well, he was black. most likely would have raped and killed, right?
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    well, he was black. most likely would have raped and killed, right?
    Who knows. But his race doesn't have anything to do with it. It was the life path he chose.
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    Just because he didn't have a criminal record doesn't mean that he wasn't doing very bad things. There's probably lots of gangsters that don't have a criminal record until they get caught for killing someone. I would hate to think that GZ let a potential killer and/or rapist walk away. Can you imagine how mad you'd be at Zimmerman if Travon killed someone you cared about?
    proof of the very bad things Trayvon was doing?

    bottom line is, Trayvon was living a normal teenage life before the ruthless GZ who has criminal history of terrorizing innocent women and law enforcement decided to earn his stripes.

    GZ lived a good life as a Judge's son and look how his life turned out. You can't say what Trayvon would have went on to do because we don't and will never know because a privilaged child who grew into a killer took his life that night.
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