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    "Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every person to control his or her own labor and property. In an economically free society, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please, with that freedom both protected by the state and unconstrained by the state." - The Heritage Foundation





    Index of Economic Freedom (The Heritage Foundation)
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    Nice commercial.

    and lol Heritage Foundation.

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    and lol Heritage Foundation.
    Appeal to Ridicule.

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    Appeal to Ridicule.
    Appeal to corporate front is more like it. What is next? ALEC citations?

    They are a Washington corporate lobby group.

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    Appeal to corporate front is more like it. What is next? ALEC citations?

    They are a Washington corporate lobby group.
    Where did you get this misinformation? They are a think tank.

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    Where did you get this misinformation? They are a think tank.
    Quit being naive. They are advocates of the likes of ExxonMobil and the tobacco industry. I have a close friend that was an aide to a GOP senator from Ohio about 8 years ago.

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    http://blog.heritage.org/2010/11/17/...co-settlement/

    Last week the Compe ive Enterprise Ins ute, a Washington-based free-market advocacy group, filed a pe ion with the U.S. Supreme Court to review the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement on the grounds it violates federal an rust laws and is uncons utional.

    The tobacco MSA is the result of 46 state attorneys general striking a deal with the four major tobacco companies in 1998 to settle Medicaid lawsuits over tobacco-related health care costs. Tobacco companies agreed to fork over $246 billion to the states over 25 years and adhere to restrictions on advertising, marketing and promotion of cigarettes.

    Never mind that smoking already generates huge sums of tax revenues and saves taxpayers’ dollars on en lement expenses when smokers die before they can draw benefits. The New England Journal of Medicine put it this way:

    “If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs.”
    Sure enough.

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    Quit being naive. They are advocates of the likes of ExxonMobil and the tobacco industry. I have a close friend that was an aide to a GOP senator from Ohio about 8 years ago.
    You just made a false statement. You claimed they are a lobby group, they are not they are an independent ins ute that does not do contract work and they do not advocate for anyone. Now you are smearing them.

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    http://blog.heritage.org/2010/11/17/...co-settlement/
    Last week the Compe ive Enterprise Ins ute, a Washington-based free-market advocacy group, filed a pe ion with the U.S. Supreme Court to review the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement on the grounds it violates federal an rust laws and is uncons utional.

    The tobacco MSA is the result of 46 state attorneys general striking a deal with the four major tobacco companies in 1998 to settle Medicaid lawsuits over tobacco-related health care costs. Tobacco companies agreed to fork over $246 billion to the states over 25 years and adhere to restrictions on advertising, marketing and promotion of cigarettes.

    Never mind that smoking already generates huge sums of tax revenues and saves taxpayers’ dollars on en lement expenses when smokers die before they can draw benefits. The New England Journal of Medicine put it this way:

    “If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs.”
    Sure enough.
    What does that have to do with anything?

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    http://www.heritage.org/research/lec...deas-in-the-us

    Yeah they don't lobby to influence politics.

    Like I said I have a notion of how politics on the hill actually work.

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    Heritage is a think tank, Fuzzy. Or didn't you know?

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    Another semantic argument woohoo!

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    they're a sort of docent of conservative policy ideas; a not for profit educational org.

    Heritage isn't a registered lobby that i know of -- is that really what you're trying to say here? That Heritage lobbies on behalf of great corporations, something like that?

    (confused)

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    http://www.heritage.org/research/lec...deas-in-the-us

    Yeah they don't lobby to influence politics.

    Like I said I have a notion of how politics on the hill actually work.
    That is not lobbying. Do you even know what it is? They are not registered lobbyists.

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    Another semantic argument woohoo!
    um, no. you said lobbyists. the distinction between registered lobbyists and potted plants at educational non-profits is non trivial.

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    Heritage Foundation to launch new political arm

    The Heritage Foundation is set to launch a new 501(c)4 organization Thursday called Heritage Action for America. The new group will be run by CEO Mike Needham and COO Tim Chapman, both veterans of Republican campaigns, and their new task will be to encourage Heritage donors to lobby members of Congress on key issues.

    The new project was "enthusiastically" approved Thursday by the think tank's board of trustees, who are meeting in Naples, Fla.

    "Heritage has an obligation to do this," said Needham. "We have 633,000 donors who care about conservative politics and want to see good legislation get passed."

    Ed Feulner, the president of the 37-year old foundation -- he won't be running operations at Heritage Action -- said that donors had been clamoring for something like this.

    "We've had success when we've been able to add and multiply to what the conservative movement was doing -- welfare reform in the 1990s," said Feulner. "Social Security with George W. Bush -- that did not succeed, but at least he had the guts to come out and push for it, and we had the research to use as a foundation."

    Heritage Action will employ somewhere between eight and 12 staffers, who will be deployed somewhere near -- not inside -- the think tank's sprawling offices near Union Station. Organizers are looking at $1 million as an initial funding goal. The money will go to grass-roots organizing and to ads targeting House members whose district contains large numbers of Heritage donors. (Heritage Action won't endorse or donate to candidates.)
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rig...to_launch.html

    They are very much so a part of the lobbying apparatus.

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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rig...to_launch.html

    They are very much so a part of the lobbying apparatus.
    The Heritage Foundation is not a lobbying group, this is a fact.

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    Your right, they just underwrite them.

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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rig...to_launch.html

    They are very much so a part of the lobbying apparatus.
    it's a separate org, but I see what you mean. I had no idea about the 501(c)4.

    Is there something improper about Heritage having a separate incorporation for its political activities?


    (puzzled)

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    it's a separate org, but I see what you mean. I had no idea about the 501(c)4.

    Is there something improper about Heritage having a separate incorporation for its political activities?


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    No its just a partisan front. They do similar underwriting for things like the Contract For America which was more or less authored by them. They do not do anything illegal. My point is that getting a corporate front to tell us how wonderful laissez faire is needs to be put into context.

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    of what, please?

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    and btw please define front, distinguishing corporate from partisan. I'd much prefer you tell me exactly what you mean by front, than assume a single thing about it.

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    What they are, what they do and have done, who they represent.

    Do I really need to explain how that context is important in light of their support of deregulation?

    Thats what the OP is getting at: a laissez faire paradise.

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    you're saying Heritage is a gaggle of puppets AND YOU SAW THE PUPPETEER, orsomething like that?

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    and btw please define front, distinguishing corporate from partisan. I'd much prefer you tell me exactly what you mean by front, than assume a single thing about it.
    They are a 'research,' underwriting, and advocacy group for the US and foreign corporate elite that has been intertwined with GOP policy making for the past 4 decades.

    They are both partisan within the US political spectrum and directed by corporate interests. Their board of trustees includes representatives of the auto, publishing, defense, electronics, manufacturers, banking, real estate and investment industries with both domestic and foreign interest as well as campaign planners for the GOP. They also receive millions from the energy and tobacco industries and do more than a little 'research,' advocacy and consulting for them as well.

    That work for you?

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