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    they are a front in the sense that if say a real estate magnate wants to have a representative on a commission, author legislation, generate 'research,' or lobby or otherwise support a particular politician without appearing to have an obvious conflict of interest then this is an option for them to go through.

    This isn't Pew Research.

    So yeah lol Heritage Foundation.
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    The Heritage Foundation is not a lobbying group, this is a fact.
    I wonder how I've maintained my sanity having to deal with lib s like Fuzzy, Manny, Clambake, ElNono, RandomPropagandaGuy, etc.

    I guess it's the IGNORE button that is may savior.

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    economic freedom only works when capitalist market is run with real capital, not stupid fake ass bond/credit knotes backed by the vunerable taxpayer to fund the lavish lifestyles of individuals and en ies...

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    hey poptech,

    I wonder how I've maintained my sanity having to deal with lib s like Fuzzy, Manny, Clambake, ElNono, RandomPropagandaGuy, etc.

    I guess it's the IGNORE button that is may savior.
    looks like wild cobra is courting you.

    how do you feel about that?

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    I've maintained my sanity
    You Lie

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    hey poptech,



    looks like wild cobra is courting you.

    how do you feel about that?

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    They are a 'research,' underwriting, and advocacy group for the US and foreign corporate elite....
    Using this logic, they must advocate you should only drink Coors beers.

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    economic freedom only works when capitalist market is run with real capital, not stupid fake ass bond/credit knotes backed by the vunerable taxpayer to fund the lavish lifestyles of individuals and en ies...
    I agree that the government should not bail out anyone or any ins ution. So you support abolishing the Federal Reserve and FDIC?

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    you know anything about flaglots?

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    This isn't Pew Research.
    No they only advocate on the behalf of oil and environmentalist interests right?

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    you know anything about flaglots?
    What do you want to know?

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    What do you want to know?
    not you. i'm trying to help.

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    not you. i'm trying to help.
    You? Help....

    LOL...

    Just the same:

    Flag Lot

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    You? Help....

    LOL...

    Just the same:

    Flag Lot
    don't you want see if he's interested without your influence first?

    he's fresh meat. you gotta play this right.

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    don't you want see if he's interested without your influence first?

    he's fresh meat. you gotta play this right.
    You can suck off all the meat you want. I'm not interested.

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    You can suck off all the meat you want. I'm not interested.
    playin hard to get, huh?

    might work

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    Using this logic, they must advocate you should only drink Coors beers.
    Thats only logic if you are dumb. They do advocate extensively for the 'war' on drugs for example. Advocating for them does not mean that they advocate in any way shape or form that you can think of.

    You are really bad without your canned arguments, monkey.

    Lets look at the Heritage Foundation Board of Directors:

    http://www.heritage.org/about/board-of-trustees

    Its a who is who of corporate elite.

    Their economic chief is this guy: http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/a/david-addington

    Addington has held senior posts in both the executive and legislative branches of the federal government, as well as in the private sector. He served as chief of staff and counsel to Vice President Richard B. Cheney after having been a senior official in the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Defense and the White House.
    There head legal counsel is http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/a/robert-alt

    Alt has testified before Congress on the legality of the Terrorist Surveillance Program and proposed revisions to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), and before the Federal Election Commission concerning issues of cons utional and administrative law.
    That guy is a stooge for the Patriot and Surveillance Acts and argues on their behalf in front of congress for the Heritage foundation.

    You claim to be a libertarian. I claim bull . Your just a corporate fanboy or shill. Lets not stop there though.

    Heritage does lobby especially campaign wise. But what they really do is control GOP policy. When there is a hearing, commission, advisory board etc in the lawmaking process, this is where the GOP goes to pull their 'experts.' They don't lobby for law, they write it as they are included in the decision making process. What you are citing for us is quite literally where the rubber meets the road in terms of elitist privilege in US government.

    Contrast that to Pew:

    The Center & Its Projects

    The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues, at udes and trends shaping America and the world. It does not take positions on policy issues. Its work is carried out by these seven projects:he Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

    This is an independent public opinion survey research project that studies at udes toward the press, politics and public policy issues. It is best known for regular national surveys that measure public attentiveness to major news stories, and for polling that charts trends in values and fundamental political and social at udes.

    The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

    Project for Excellence in Journalism

    The Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism is a research organization that specializes in using empirical methods to evaluate and study the performance of the press.

    Pew Internet & American Life Project

    Pew Internet & American Life Project

    The Pew Internet Project conducts original research that explores the impact of the internet on children, families, communities, the work place, schools, health care and civic/political life. It seeks to be an authoritative source for timely information on the internet's growth and societal impact.

    The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

    The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

    The Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life, launched in 2001, seeks to promote a deeper understanding of issues at the intersection of religion and public affairs. The Pew Forum conducts surveys, demographic analyses and other social science research on important aspects of religion and public life in the U.S. and around the world. It also provides a neutral venue for discussions of timely issues through roundtables and briefings.

    Pew Hispanic Center

    Pew Hispanic Center

    The Pew Hispanic Center's mission is to improve understanding of the U.S. Hispanic population and to chronicle Latinos' growing impact on the nation. The Center conducts social science research, including economic, demographic and public opinion studies.

    Pew Global At udes Project

    Pew Global At udes Project

    Since it began in 2001, the Pew Global At udes Project has conducted a series of worldwide public opinion surveys on an array of subjects, from people's assessments of their own lives to their views on the current state of the world and important issues of the day.

    Pew Social and Demographic Trends

    Social & Demographic Trends

    The Pew Research Center's Social & Demographic Trends project studies behaviors and at udes of Americans in key realms of their lives, including family, community, health, finance, work and leisure. The project explores these topics by combining original public opinion survey research with social, economic and demographic data analysis.

    A "Fact Tank"

    Through these seven projects, the Center provides facts and data that help inform the national dialogue. Unlike many think tanks, the Center does not make policy recommendations. As the Center's President, Andrew Kohut, said when the group was launched in 2004, "It's more a 'fact tank' than a think tank. It's a new kind of Washington organization that collects information and disseminates it in an understandable and analytical way, rather than producing expert opinion on policy subjects." The Center's work is often cited by policy-makers, journalists and academics, as well as advocates from across the political spectrum.
    http://pewresearch.org/about/projects/

    The polling, anthropological and sociological studies and media oversight. They don't try to get Lockheed-Martin's and ExxonMobil their policy wants directly in Congress. They are completely different animals.

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    While comparing The UK and US as well as their primary trade hubs from the early 19th century til now to a bunch of third world post colonial states is certainly a study in irony, it doesn't really show much.

    Its a commercial. You are like WC and his gas boiler pamphlets. gmfb.

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    LET'S PLAY:

    GUESS THE COMMON THEME OF THE HERITAGE TRUSTEE PICTURES

    Men first:





























    ----

    Now the ladies:














    Can anyone spot the common theme?

    Or

    (skip to 0:22)

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    Nothing screams "traditional American values" like ruling bodies deviod of representatives of certain segments of the population.

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    "Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every person to control his or her own labor and property. In an economically free society, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please, with that freedom both protected by the state and unconstrained by the state." - The Heritage Foundation
    When you put it that way, who wouldn't like it?


    Religious ins utions and individuals are at the heart of America’s thriving civil society, providing effectively for the welfare of individuals and communities in ways that government programs do not have the capacity to address.
    Notice it wasn't "Religious ins utions and individuals are among those at"

    Implied:

    If you aren't religious, you are not at the heart of America's thriving civil society.

    Always good to know.

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    I wonder how I've maintained my sanity having to deal with lib s like Fuzzy, Manny, Clambake, ElNono, RandomPropagandaGuy, etc.
    lol you being "sane"

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    Understanding Poverty in the United States: Surprising Facts About America's Poor

    You might remember this schtick too:

    Essentially:

    The poor in the US don't have it that bad. Look at all the stuff some of them have.

    The typical poor American lives in an air-conditioned house or apartment that is in good repair and has cable TV, a car, multiple color TVs, a DVD player, a VCR, and many other appliances. Half of the poor have computers, and one-third have wide-screen plasma TVs.
    2 Some 96 percent of poor parents report their children were never hungry at any time in the prior year.
    3 A poor child is more likely to have cable TV, a computer, a wide-screen plasma TV, an Xbox, or a TiVo in the home than to be hungry.
    4 Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.
    5 Sound anti-poverty policy must be based on accurate information and address the causes of poverty, not merely the symptoms. Exaggerating the extent and severity of hardships will not benefit society, the taxpayers, or the poor.
    I can heartily go for #5.

    What is missing from this argument/essay:

    Any discussion about things that matter a lot more than VCR's or DVD's to the well-being, especially like, say, the ability to climb out of poverty.

    Simple things like how available health care is.

    Let's find some more refreshing candor:
    82 percent of poor adults reported never being hungry at any time in the prior year due to lack of money for food.
    WOW 82%! Nothing to worry about, right?


    What about the other 18%? The article didn't discuss them. One out of every 5 people .

    I guess we shouldn't worry about them?

    To be fair, they do get a bit more even handed:

    By their own reports, the average poor person had sufficient funds to meet all essential needs and to obtain medical care for family members throughout the year whenever needed.

    Of course, poor Americans do not live in the lap of luxury. The poor clearly struggle to make ends meet, but they are generally struggling to pay for cable TV, air conditioning, and a car, as well as for food on the table. The average poor person is far from affluent, but his lifestyle is far from the images of stark deprivation purveyed equally by advocacy groups and the media.

    The fact that the average poor household has many modern conveniences and experiences no substantial hardships does not mean that no families face hardships. As noted, the overwhelming majority of the poor are well housed and not overcrowded, but one in 25 will become temporarily homeless during the year. While most of the poor have a sufficient and fairly steady supply of food, one in five poor adults will experience temporary food shortages and hunger at some point in a year.


    Sounds good right?

    What do they think are the causes?

    Among families with children, the collapse of marriage and erosion of the work ethic are the principal long-term causes of poverty.
    So what is Heritage's solution?

    When the recession ends, welfare policy must require able-bodied recipients to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving aid. It should also strengthen marriage in low-income communities rather than ignore and penalize it.

    I didn't know it was that simple.

    And by I didn't know, I mean, I know it isn't that simple.

    I also wonder how you "strengthen marriage".

    Put people in jail?

    Empty pla udes are not good sus utes for workable solutions.

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