And Lorbek, if he wanted to come to the NBA, must really hate Diaw right now. Lorbek went from being a desirable big with a bargaining chip (in case he wanted to stay in Europe, he could have tried to inflate his value like many others did before) to an unproven NBA big trying to edge out a vet who seems to be a perfect fit in the Spurs system.
Furthermore let's remember that Diaw previous contract, signed while he was obviously younger and after a nice contract year, was $9m per, and everybody thought he was badly overpaid (given his play in subsequent years). I fail to see how an older version of Diaw, with his history, and despite his rejuvenation, can command more than the MLE for any team.
Actually, I'm not even sure he's worth the full MLE right now, but if the Spurs have nothing else to spend it on, he might get the full MLE indeed. That seems fair for both parties.
RJ had a player option, he declined it and became a free agent, he then signed a brand new contract with the Spurs, thus he didn't renegotiate it, it is not allowed under the CBA.
The only way to get rid of Manu's or Jax's contracts would be to find a team under the cap willing to absorb their contracts in exchange for a pick ( or adding a pick ) and a TE. I'm pretty sure there would be takers for Manu, but no way the Spurs do that.
The Spurs talked RJ into opting out and guaranteed him a contract offer if no other team wanted him. He wasn't opting under any other cir stance.
Good bigmen in the NBA are getting paid. For example, Glen Davis got paid $25.7M over 4 years last December.
If Diaw has a good playoffs run, it would be a no-brainer for Spurs to offer him the full MLE with whatever specifics he wants (player options, trade kicker, singing bonus..). A starting level PF for the MLE is a bargain.
I think it was lack of motivation more than anything for Diaw's lacklustre performance over the years. Playing for the Bobcats after being traded from the Suns did not help at all.
The Spurs have a different environment - even more so relevant for Diaw as Parker plays here - and I think he would be doing some good work in the offseason (he has to play in the Olympics as well) to stay in/get into prime shape.
As for Lorbek, the only way he gets into the Spurs squad, IMO, is if the Spurs sell Blair to a below-the-cap team for a second round pick in 2018 (a la Theo Ratliff) and then Lorbek is willing to play for a million dollar contract with raises for a couple more years. Or perhaps someone bites on Corey Joseph as well and the Spurs manage to offer a million more.
So, i think the only way to get BOTH Diaw & Lorbek would be salary dumping Capt Jax to any team under the cap, creating enough cap space to sign those two big men with reasonable contract, no ??
Ofcourse, the Spurs would have to renounce their right to any salary exception, CMIIW.
trade lorbek and whatever scrubs on the team to move up on the draft and farm the pick
They don't have to decide between Neal and Green. Neal is locked for the next season and Green is a RFA considering we have his early bird rights. They're not going anywhere unless a dumb team severely overpays for Green.
Diaw or Lorbek is true though. We can't have both
He as always struck me as a guy who when signs, sits back and relaxes. But maybe the aforementioned team situations have caused this lack of drive.
Wait and see... I wonder how much Parker can influence his will to play hard in the regular season after he is "made". Now that Parker is wearing big pants he can play big brother.
Glen Davis is 26, Diaw is 30. Diaw also got a big fat contract when he was 26 (much bigger than Davis, by the way). This is Diaw's last true contract, and given the way he played in the past + the fact that he won't fit in every team/system I don't see anybody giving him more than the MLE. Miami would, if they could.
It looks like the Spurs look what they see, Diaw likes what he sees, and the price is fair. That points to a deal.
Re: Lorbek, the road to Lorbek goes through Bonner being amnestied. since the Spurs like Bonner and Lorbek is unproven (and not even sure he wants to come), I can't see it happening.
Using the amnesty on Bonner will not change the Spurs' ability to sign Lorbek.
It really doesn't.
Edit : Mel being first again
Salary dumping Jax won't be easy to do.
IMO, the LLE isn't a that unrealistic way to get Lorbek. If he wants to join the NBA, a 2 years LLE contract with a player option on the second year is a quite good solution for him. What he will lost in salary, he will gain it in freedom.
AFAIK, that would work, assuming Diaw and Lorbek would both fit under the cap. (And, of course, that some team under the cap wanted Jack's contract.)
Edit: beaten by Bruno.
I thought the new rules did away with the LLE. Am I mistaken?
your mom was a championship pick up, imo
Taxpaying teams cannot use the LLE.
From Coon's summary of changes to the new CBA:
2011 CBA: Taxpaying teams have a smaller midlevel exception, can acquire less salary in trade, and cannot use the biannual exception.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...pares-last-one
With it taking 2 seasons to get early Bird rights on a player I'd think the Spurs would feel pretty strongly about wanting to have Lorbek locked up for that second year. If you give Lorbek an out after the first year then you'd have to use your MLE to re-sign him.
Agree. The LLE contract would be really better for Spurs if the second year isn't a player option. They should push for it. Saying that, if the only way to get Lorbek is giving him a player option on the second option, then Spurs should still sign him.
Diaw has the skillset and the size to perfectly complement the Spurs in the front court. Low post scoring, rebounding and defense.
Thanks guys, good problem solving. I was kidding about the "fool" reference, that was tongue in cheek. I just was seeing too many quick responses "that won't work" while not enough discussion on the alternatives, although I realize we have the think tank for that.
Spurs are sitting pretty overall. If anyone call pull out a rabbit and get Lorbek next year it's Pop/RC, but we don't really need him either.
Diaw looks like a MLE slam dunk as was mentioned. After that and resigning Green, we can largely stand pat and be fine.
In 2014, we will have the flexibility to do whatever we want.
I guess one big question will be should we just keep renewing Duncan one year at a time, to $10 million deals, to maximize flexibiity?
Also should we be putting those player options in the last year of any big contract, so we can pull another RJ style "renegotiation" in the future?
Can a team use LLE and MLE same season?
Mel one question
Let's say Lorbek accepts the LLE for 2 seasons. Do we have early bird rights or he is UFA after that ?
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