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Killa said he was being overrated after he won a ring, and that it was ridiculous that people were rating him higher than KG...
Yes, because KG thrived being the #1 guy right? That worked so well in Minnesota. That is why he went to Boston to get away from that role. He was best suited for defensive anchor, intensity chest pounds, and being a sidekick to Pierce.
Killa said he was being overrated after he won a ring, and that it was ridiculous that people were rating him higher than KG...
KG should never be rated higher than Dirk.
^Dude youre a house n!gger. Mavfans are your buddies so you suck off their team and Dirk. Your opinion on this matter is worthless.
Beign butthurt is your shtick?
GNSF with the sick burn.
If Pierce was the man in that Celtics team why did Garnett finished third in MVP voting that year? Why did they won the 'ship that year and lost in the first round the next one without him only to get one decent quarter away of winning it all again when he came back?
Saying that KG wasn't the man in those Celtics teams is a pretty re ed opinion.
He was their defensive and emotional leader. He provided what the Celtics needed beyond stats.
If Pierce was the one who got injured in Utah in 2009, they also wouldn't have won the championship anyway. So what's your point?
Again, Garnett was their defensive and emotional leader. But Pierce was the one making the clutch shots for them.
Ginobili has been the Spurs closer and making the clutch shots/plays since around 04-05. Does that mean Duncan wasnt the best player on most of those teams ?
Chandler was the defensive and emotional leader of the Mavs last season but he didn't get MVP votes over Dirk.
I doubt they would have lost in the first round.If Pierce was the one who got injured in Utah in 2009, they also wouldn't have won the championship anyway. So what's your point?
Since when making clutch shots=beign the man?Again, Garnett was their defensive and emotional leader. But Pierce was the one making the clutch shots for them.
KG was the man of those Celtics, he was by far their best and most impactful player.
Only in an attempt to prop up Dirk by mav homers/house n!ggers is a guy who finished 3rd in MVP voting, won DPOY, led the team in scoring in reg season, trailed Pierce in scoring by less than a point in postseason, not the best player on his team.
Defensive I get, but emotional leader and being the man?
They didn't. They lost in the second round. You still don't get the point. If either of them gets injured, they were not going to win a championship.
I never said that making clutch shots = being the man. However, I said that while Garnett was their defensive and emotional leader, Pierce was the clutch guy. Those are two different things.
Where can you quote me on record that I said Pierce was the clear-cut guy on the Celtics?
Ginobili has been the Spurs closer and making the clutch shots/plays since around 04-05. Does that mean Duncan wasnt the best player on most of those teams ?
You are just doing anything to put down Dirk. No, Garnett is not better than Nowitzki. KG never had to carry an entire team to the le on his shoulders like Dirk Diggler did, plus he never had the consistency of Dirk's seasons.
Tim Duncan 99 03 05 07 >>>>>> Garnett 08
Duncan leaded the team in points and rebounds during the regular season & playoffs all those years we win.He was by far the best player of the Spurs.
It's not clear who was the best in Boston.You could say Pierce or you could say KG but none of them was clearly the best.
Sure KG was a beast in Minnesota and one of the best players in the league but he failed in the playoffs.
Nowitzki at least was able to lead his team being the first weapon to the NBA Finals 2 times winning one.
I dont think anyone is saying KG is better than Duncan. Also anyone who actually questions whether KG was the best Celtic in 08' is re ed. Again the won DPOY, was 3rd in MVP voting, 1st-Team All-NBA & All-Defense, led the team in scoring in regular season, trailed Pierce by less than a point in post-season. Pierce may have been the captain, closer, and most beloved Celtic but KG was clearly the best player.
Regarding his 'playoff failures', how can you even call them that? His teams were always expected to lose, the TWolves were perennial 8 seeds who only got into the playoffs because of KG. Before Spree&Cassell the best players he ever had alongside were probably Terell Brandon, Troy Hudson, and Wally Sczerbiak lol.The one year he actually did have help he led his team to the 1st seed and a WCF trip.
Youre saying KG wasnt the clear-cut guy which is just as re ed.
The dude only put up 20-10-5 for most of the past decade all while being a Top 3 defender in the league the entire 2000s...yet he never had the consistency of Dirks seasons?
Youre confusing teams with players. The TWolves werent as consistent as the Mavs, but than again the Mavs never had Troy Hudson or Wally Sczerbiak as their 2nd best players. The early-mid 2000s PF position was dominated by TD, KG, and Webber. Dirk was second-tier. Anybody whos worth a knows that.
I think it's a tough call. I think Garnett peaked in the mid 2000s when he had those ty Minnesota teams around him. If the Mavs and T-Wolves had swapped Garnett for Nowitzki back then (with Nash, Finley, etc.), I think Garnett could have carried that team to a le or two, because he could have run with that team's offense like Dirk, but also been a defensive anchor.
KG had a lot of miles on him by the time he got to Boston, though. Meanwhile, Dirk kept getting better. So I guess Dirk wins by virtue of being the clear main guy on a le team while Garnett never was, but I think it's close.
I would say Dirk over KG but it's definitely close.
Dirk clearcut leading two teams to the Finals, winning one, cements it for me. Sure KG was a more complete player but so was Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber, James Worthy, Pau Gasol, and Chris Bosh off the top of my head. You'll never see any of those guys ranked ahead of Dirk
They were a game away from the ECF the year Garnett was injured. They didn't lose in the first round. Regardless, I agree that he was the MVP of the 2008 team. He transformed them into the best defensive team in the NBA and he led them in scoring in the playoffs that year. The difference between the 2008 Celtics and 2011 Mavs is that the Mavs were sure as not a team that would be a game away from the conference finals without Dirk. I don't think it's close between prime Dirk and Boston KG (i.e. the KG who scored mostly off wide open shots created by someone else). Prime Dirk vs. Prime KG is a lot closer and can be debated to no end.
I don't know who the emotional leader was in neither of those teams, I wasn't there with them. What I know is what everybody said: that Chandler was very vocal and .Defensive I get, but emotional leader and being the man?
Yeah, I don't know why I thought they lost in the first round. Probably because it was a pretty hard series against the Bulls. And I agree that the Celtcis wouldn't have won the 'ship without Pierce either but the same could be said about the Mavs without Chandler.They didn't. They lost in the second round. You still don't get the point. If either of them gets injured, they were not going to win a championship.
OK, so? What were you trying to prove with that?I never said that making clutch shots = being the man. However, I said that while Garnett was their defensive and emotional leader, Pierce was the clutch guy. Those are two different things.
Completely different comparisons, imo. None of those players are arguably the best defensive PF of all-time like KG is. None of them put up 20-10-5 for the better part of the past decade. I say its clearly KG>Dirk because the was simply a beast, for most of the past decade the only player that was anywhere near Duncan was KG...Dirk was always viewed as a second-tier PF up until last year. Thats not just my opinion and me being a hater, that was the consensus. Winning it all doesnt magically bump him over KG, especially since KG already has a ring as the best player on the team himself.
I think it's a stretch to say that he won an MVP award while the "consensus" was that he was a second-tier player.
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