Mayweather-Cotto Fight Thread

[Koolaid_Man]

Boxing: The only sport that you can run from opponents and have your fans blindly praise you for it.

Pacman lost me when he initially refused to take the blood tests and then came up with every excuse in the world as to why he wouldn't take the tests (From being scared of needles, to it goes against his religious beliefs, to it drains him of energy, to he's just supers ious). How in the this guy could say anything and you ers still beleive him is in a word - Classic...

Floyd basically knows the guy is cheating all real boxing experts know it as well. Some will dismiss it because they hate Mayweather...fine but don't play this morality card when it comes to blacks like Barry Bonds and then ignore it when it comes to whites like Roger Clemons...in any white man's world calling out cheaters or those you think may be cheating is a noble idea...but when it's someone you think is your great white hope you abandon your principals and now testing for cheating is no longer a noble idea

[pass1st]

So let me get this straight, Manny knocks out a bigger fighter and it's because the guy is in worse shape. Floyd knocks out a bigger fighter, and your response is "omg he beat him at his comfort weight where he's stronger and fights better "

I'm just trying to get an idea of your logic here.

I'm also curious as to why Floyd won't fight Manny after he said that he'd be an "easy fight".

"The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is not going to happen," Mayweather said. "It's not my fault."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1uE3vMfV5

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Scared of losing that perfect record
Hiding behing 3-4 different excuses

Your boxing takes are as bad as your basketball takes

If you train your ass off at 1 weight and you're best at that weight, you will be able to take on a fighter within typical catch-weight range very well. The guy who has to go down in catch-weight is almost always the one at disadvantage. Being bigger is a factor, as well as being faster, more durable and having more gas in the tank.

Cotto might have been slightly bigger, but he simply was not suited for that weight anymore. Boxers almost always are forced to move up in weight when they aren't fast enough for their weight class. You have to be some bandwagon boxing fan to not see that there is more to a fighter than strength.

At any rate, take a look at Cotto fighting a good boxer in Clottey, but nowhere near elite level. When a fighter struggles against that tier of fighter in their weight class, it is a red flag to either move up or retire.


Also, why Pac and Mayweather duck eachother and is just politics. Mayweather just wants to be paid more than Pac, quite a bit more (60-65%). The only fighter Mayweather was scared of was Shane, he didn't want to risk losing when he was rising as the #1 p4p boxer.

[webshad]

I would also. But I would like to see them fight each other before they are too old. Manny is very good at the hunt. He throws punches from such odd positions, I dont think PBF would be used to this. After Floyd counters he is gonna get hit immediately. You just know Manny is gonna hit him. I want to see how good he really is as I think he could take Mannys stuff and give it back.

PBF has the height advantage and reach advantage, and he will use it wisely. Pacquiao is even shorter than Cotto and has a smaller reach than him as well. Remember how huge PBF looked against Marquez?

As for the money, PBF doesn't deserve 60% of the purse, it should be a 50/50 split with 10% going to the winner.

In the end, I don't believe that fight will ever take place because Pacquiao has much more to lose than PBF.

Pacquiao has a chance to run for presidency in the Philippines and win, PBF can only dream of being a president. I do believe a Pacquiao loss, it will hurt his popularity.

Anyways, Pacquiao/Bradley is gonna be FIREWORKS! Trust me on that! Enjoy!

GO

[pass1st]

PBF has the height advantage and reach advantage, and he will use it wisely. Pacquiao is even shorter than Cotto and has a smaller reach than him as well. Remember how huge PBF looked against Marquez?

As for the money, PBF doesn't deserve 60% of the purse, it should be a 50/50 split with 10% going to the winner.

In the end, I don't believe that fight will ever take place because Pacquiao has much more to lose than PBF.

Pacquiao has a chance to run for presidency in the Philippines and win, PBF can only dream of being a president. I do believe a Pacquiao loss, it will hurt his popularity.

Anyways, Pacquiao/Bradley is gonna be FIREWORKS! Trust me on that! Enjoy!

GO

More people want to see Mayweather lose a fight than Mayweather fight Pac, the ball is in Money's court. He should get the bigger cut of all his fights until he loses one

[TheNextGen]

More people want to see Mayweather lose a fight than Mayweather fight Pac, the ball is in Money's court. He should get the bigger cut of all his fights until he loses one

wow..mayweather fans fall for everything Mayweather says. You know pass1st, you can always say

" IT. JUST FIGHT 50/50 and beat down Pacquiao"

...instead its...

"oh yah..he must be on roids if mayweather doesnt want to fight him...oh yah...he should get more than 50% since manny lost 10 years ago".

For s sake man. What happened to just fighting a guy to prove your the best.

[Ashy Larry]

The one constant in Floyd not fighting Cotto a few years back is the same constant that's keeping him from fighting Manny ....... Bob Arum. He doesn't fight Cotto while he's with Arum but no sooner than Cotto leaves Arum, Floyd fights a younger Cotto and Cotto scores his biggest pay day of his career.

Manny will one day see that Bob Arum is runnin' up in his balloon knot ........

[Venti Quattro]

Arum should die a slow and painful death.

[Koolaid_Man]

Interesting read:

Hatton: Mayweather would beat Pacquiao



By Chris Williams:



Ricky Hatton came out this week and said that Floyd Mayweather Jr. would wipe the deck with Manny Pacquiao if they were to ever get around to fighting. This is yet another fighter that sees clearly that Mayweather is simply too god for the smaller Filipino fighter and would make mincemeat of him if Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum would allow Pacquiao to fight Mayweather. Arum does a good job of protecting his fighters. If you don’t believe me, look at how Arum has protected WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. for what seems like forever by not putting him against guys would likely knock him out.



Hatton feels that Mayweather is too intelligent in the ring for Pacquiao to handle and he would pick him apart slowly. Hatton says he’s always felt that Mayweather would school Pacquiao if they fought. Hatton didn’t just come up with this recently after watching Pacquiao win by a gift decision over Juan Manuel Marquez last month. Hatton has always seen Mayweather as a class above the brawling Pacquiao. Hatton likes Pacquiao better as a person than he does Mayweather, but as far as in the ring, Hatton sees Mayweather as being the better fighter.


You have to imagine that Arum feels the same way too, because he hasn’t been in any kind of hurray to match his gravy train fighter Pacquiao up with Mayweather and it’s pretty obvious why he’s been so reluctant to do that. Mayweather would be far too good for Pacquiao and it would mess things up for Arum once Pacquiao got decisively beat. The paydays would likely drop in the amount of money that’s brought in and it’s unclear whether Pacquiao would ever get back to where he is now once Mayweather takes care of him.

[Koolaid_Man]

Interesting read:

Hatton: Mayweather would beat Pacquiao



By Chris Williams:



Ricky Hatton came out this week and said that Floyd Mayweather Jr. would wipe the deck with Manny Pacquiao if they were to ever get around to fighting. This is yet another fighter that sees clearly that Mayweather is simply too god for the smaller Filipino fighter and would make mincemeat of him if Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum would allow Pacquiao to fight Mayweather. Arum does a good job of protecting his fighters. If you don’t believe me, look at how Arum has protected WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. for what seems like forever by not putting him against guys would likely knock him out.



Hatton feels that Mayweather is too intelligent in the ring for Pacquiao to handle and he would pick him apart slowly. Hatton says he’s always felt that Mayweather would school Pacquiao if they fought. Hatton didn’t just come up with this recently after watching Pacquiao win by a gift decision over Juan Manuel Marquez last month. Hatton has always seen Mayweather as a class above the brawling Pacquiao. Hatton likes Pacquiao better as a person than he does Mayweather, but as far as in the ring, Hatton sees Mayweather as being the better fighter.


You have to imagine that Arum feels the same way too, because he hasn’t been in any kind of hurray to match his gravy train fighter Pacquiao up with Mayweather and it’s pretty obvious why he’s been so reluctant to do that. Mayweather would be far too good for Pacquiao and it would mess things up for Arum once Pacquiao got decisively beat. The paydays would likely drop in the amount of money that’s brought in and it’s unclear whether Pacquiao would ever get back to where he is now once Mayweather takes care of him.

^ Hey Pacman Lovers that's it and that's all

[Koolaid_Man]

another interesting read





De La Hoya laughs at Arum’s excuses for keeping Pacquiao away from Mayweather fight



By Chris Williams:



Oscar De La Hoya thought Bob Arum’s excuses were comical for him not allowing his fighter Manny Pacquiao to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on May 5th. I’m not sure if Arum is aware how bad his excuses are making him and Pacquiao look, but he really needs to quiet down because he’s making look obvious that he doesn’t want to see Pacquiao in a risky fight where the outcome might be bad for him.De La Hoya said this on his twitter page: “Hahaha. That’s another funny excuse from Bob Arum “Cuts not healed” or “Not enough time for an outdoor arena. Let’s play the excuse game.”



De La Hoya obviously knows the sport and is aware that it doesn’t take over six months for a cut to heal. On Friday, Arum said he couldn’t put Pacquiao back in the ring by
May 5th to fight Mayweather because Pacquiao’s cut from November might not be properly healed by then. On May 5th, it will have been six months since Pacquiao’s fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, which is plenty of time for the cut to heal.



Arum also made the excuse that he can’t put Pacquiao in with Mayweather on May 5th because he wants to have a bigger arena in Vegas put together and that can’t happen by May 5th. It just sounded so flimsy the excuses Arum was making. I know he was being interviewed and some of the questions were catching him by surprise but he should have had some gems stored up from his past years of not matching Pacquiao up with Mayweather. Arum should have the excuses well memorized by now, don’t you think?

[Venti Quattro]

Hatton is just hating because Pacquiao absolutely destroyed him.

[midnightpulp]

Pacman lost me when he initially refused to take the blood tests and then came up with every excuse in the world as to why he wouldn't take the tests (From being scared of needles, to it goes against his religious beliefs, to it drains him of energy, to he's just supers ious). How in the this guy could say anything and you ers still beleive him is in a word - Classic...

Floyd basically knows the guy is cheating all real boxing experts know it as well. Some will dismiss it because they hate Mayweather...fine but don't play this morality card when it comes to blacks like Barry Bonds and then ignore it when it comes to whites like Roger Clemons...in any white man's world calling out cheaters or those you think may be cheating is a noble idea...but when it's someone you think is your great white hope you abandon your principals and now testing for cheating is no longer a noble idea

Your boys Sharpton and Jesse Jackson invented that . 100 black dudes could rape and dismember a convent full of white nuns, screaming to the top of their lungs, "Kill dem white es!" and you wouldn't hear a condemning word from those two race baiters. They'd find a way to say the 100 offending blacks were simply acting out after years of "oppression" and "discrimination."

But as soon as a white man looks at a black person the wrong, those two assholes are front and center in the media calling for "justice."

[Koolaid_Man]

this one is a Doozy from Bob Arum....

Mayweather vs Pacquiao: Bob Arum Concerned About Mayweather Racism



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Bob Arum says Floyd Mayweather's "ignorance is so appalling."





Bob Arum was interviewed by Gareth A Davies of the Telegraph, and addressed some of his deeper concerns for a fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr:

"It's been an amazing run, that's why I get very very impatient with a lot of this Mayweather nonsense. Because the game plan here is to be president of the Philippines. The game plan is not to be the pound for pound guy for five or six years, it is to transcend boxing and to move on to the rest of his life."
... "One of the reasons I never really was so keen on a Mayweather fight which I now truly believe is an easy fight for Pacquiao is because how Manny is going to be tainted by some of the vile things that Mayweather comes out with. Even though he'll be the good guy, God knows what Mayweather is capable of saying. It's one thing to talk about how much better a fighter he is and Manny can't do this or that, but Mayweather, who has no sensibility in this, is capable of insulting the country. The ignorance is so appalling."

I doubt it would really go down that way. Mayweather has, of course, had his racist rants on his own weird ass web cam show, and he caught a lot of flak for that. But he hasn't brought them to official press functions. Honestly, I think Floyd's so strange that he might have thought that his UStream show wasn't, like -- I don't know how to put this. Like it didn't matter, or that it was an equivalent to speaking out of the public eye at his own dinner table or something.



Now I don't know whether or not there's ever any real chance of Manny Pacquiao becoming President in the Philippines, and I'm not going to pretend I understand the political climate there, because I don't have the first clue, and to be 100% honest, my interest on that level is pretty much zero. I like boxers for their fighting, for the most part, and Manny Pacquiao's political career is only of very minor interest to me. I care mostly about whether or not it gets in the way of his boxing career. I mean that for now -- obviously when he retires, he's retired, and best of luck to him. I don't plan on blaming political aspirations for sending him out too soon, and as Pacquiao plans to fight through 2013, that's not really going to be "too soon" anyway.


But anyway, back to the other thing: No, I don't expect Mayweather would be out there all Mr. Yunioshi or anything, because he's honestly not that stupid. Mayweather, I think, understands that that would be PR suicide, and again, I just think he didn't understand how widespread that UStream stuff can get. I'm not saying he's a genius or anything, but he keeps his cool with press conference type stuff, and "official" interviews, and is no worse than Bernard Hopkins or anyone with those, really.
Anyway, if the fight's so easy, they should probably just do everything in their power to make it happen and let Floyd truly duck if he's going to do that. Mayweather could insult the entire country of the Philippines right now without the fight happening if he really wanted to, so I can't see that as a valid concern for not doing the fight.

[Ashy Larry]

Arum should die a slow and painful death.

It's just been a problem trying to make this fight. The fans and the public are being fooled. Bob Arum does not want to make this fight happen. Once he's free from Bob Arum, will the fight happen? Absolutely.

Floyd Mayweather







Seems like as soon as Floyd left Arum, he started making those big pay days ........

[Venti Quattro]

I don't get it; why would Arum not want to make this fight happen?

[Ashy Larry]

I don't get it; why would Arum not want to make this fight happen?

The money factor. Manny is his main meal ticket ...... if that ticket gets ripped, dude loses so much money. That cut excuse was classic. Then the bigger venue excuse was brutal as well. After Manny, Bob has a few good fighters but none of that level and he damn sure can't bank on Margarito bringing in the lootage that Manny generates.

Top PPV fighters:

Floyd
Manny
Cotto

Sooner or later, that contract has got to run out and Manny could really bring that bank in.

[Koolaid_Man]

Your boys Sharpton and Jesse Jackson invented that . 100 black dudes could rape and dismember a convent full of white nuns, screaming to the top of their lungs, "Kill dem white es!" and you wouldn't hear a condemning word from those two race baiters. They'd find a way to say the 100 offending blacks were simply acting out after years of "oppression" and "discrimination."

But as soon as a white man looks at a black person the wrong, those two assholes are front and center in the media calling for "justice."

I have no quarrals with Brother Jesse and the good Rev Al ....and if you do then you must really hate Sean Klannity and Rush Limpbaugh...

I hear all these people talking this and that about them..but Jesse went into a battle zone and rescued soldiers...yeah that's right he's done more good than you and your comrades ever did and they were white soldiers too...he brought them home midget and nothing you haters can say about that ..

Yugoslavia Hands Over 3 Captured U.S. Soldiers

Crisis in Yugoslavia

Balkans: POWs board bus to leave Belgrade for Croatia with the Rev. Jesse Jackson. NATO raids continue, and the pilot of an F-16 jet is rescued after going down over Serbia.


May 02, 1999|RICHARD BOUDREAUX and CAROL J. WILLIAMS | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia — President Slobodan Milosevic freed three captured U.S. Army soldiers today and sent them homeward with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who had lobbied for their release as a step toward ending 39 days of NATO bombing.
The soldiers were brought to the Yugoslav army press center in downtown Belgrade on the 33rd day of their captivity and turned over to Jackson's delegation of American religious leaders.




As for Rev Al we'd never know of the Trayvon travesty had Al not took up the cause...

I hear people saying they don't like them but I see no one else willing to put their necks on the line when controversy breaks out..I see no one none of the black activists ...they're all cowards and passivists...Jesse and Al from the old black guard get the ing job done...their presence may not be liked or appreciated by many but that's because they don't see the big picture...Jesse and Al put pressure on police depts and prosecutors around the country that seem to be bent on oppressing minorities...they're work is so needed. If it wasn't them then who would it be...let me answer

NO ONE...those guys have my utmost respect because I understand their higher mission in life and I respect it...all they're doing is keeping "honest people honest" if you know what I mean

[pass1st]

wow..mayweather fans fall for everything Mayweather says. You know pass1st, you can always say

" IT. JUST FIGHT 50/50 and beat down Pacquiao"

...instead its...

"oh yah..he must be on roids if mayweather doesnt want to fight him...oh yah...he should get more than 50% since manny lost 10 years ago".

For s sake man. What happened to just fighting a guy to prove your the best.

It has nothing to do with being a Mayweather, it's just how business is. Mayweather is a bigger draw, as you can see by his PPV earnings. People want to see him beaten badly, he's hated more than Pac is liked.

Some fighters fight because they want to fight, others want money. Mayweather wants money, what's the issue?

Also, quote me talking about Pac on roids please.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't get it; why would Arum not want to make this fight happen?

Here's your answer Venti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gp9QE3prHs

[Ashy Larry]

I think another reason why Arum isn't really trying to press this fight is because he's still bitter Floyd left him ........ honestly, I think that's the main one. Floyd beats Manny, he would have ed Arum not once, but twice.

[midnightpulp]

I have no quarrals with Brother Jesse and the good Rev Al ....and if you do then you must really hate Sean Klannity and Rush Limpbaugh...

I hear all these people talking this and that about them..but Jesse went into a battle zone and rescued soldiers...yeah that's right he's done more good than you and your comrades ever did and they were white soldiers too...he brought them home midget and nothing you haters can say about that ..

Yugoslavia Hands Over 3 Captured U.S. Soldiers

Crisis in Yugoslavia

Balkans: POWs board bus to leave Belgrade for Croatia with the Rev. Jesse Jackson. NATO raids continue, and the pilot of an F-16 jet is rescued after going down over Serbia.


May 02, 1999|RICHARD BOUDREAUX and CAROL J. WILLIAMS | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia — President Slobodan Milosevic freed three captured U.S. Army soldiers today and sent them homeward with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who had lobbied for their release as a step toward ending 39 days of NATO bombing.
The soldiers were brought to the Yugoslav army press center in downtown Belgrade on the 33rd day of their captivity and turned over to Jackson's delegation of American religious leaders.




As for Rev Al we'd never know of the Trayvon travesty had Al not took up the cause...

I hear people saying they don't like them but I see no one else willing to put their necks on the line when controversy breaks out..I see no one none of the black activists ...they're all cowards and passivists...Jesse and Al from the old black guard get the ing job done...their presence may not be liked or appreciated by many but that's because they don't see the big picture...Jesse and Al put pressure on police depts and prosecutors around the country that seem to be bent on oppressing minorities...they're work is so needed. If it wasn't them then who would it be...let me answer

NO ONE...those guys have my utmost respect because I understand their higher mission in life and I respect it...all they're doing is keeping "honest people honest" if you know what I mean

Lobbying for their release = "going into a war zone and conducting rescue operations" in your mind?

And those two aren't concerned in the least with fair and equitable treatment for black people. They're concerned with their pocket books, and if there isn't a race angle to exploit, you won't hear a peep out of them (how often do they come out and condemn black-on-black crime?)

[Koolaid_Man]

this is the Motherlode of all articles on Arums twisted ass:

Pacquiao-Mayweather: Seriously, what’s Bob Arum’s problem? A MUST read!



By Marquise Bullock:



Well it’s known now that World Boxing Council (WBC) Welter Weight Champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. (41-0-26 KOs) is set to fight at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas, on May 5th 2012. Team Mayweather made the announcement two weeks prior to the Pacquiao-Marquez III fight scheduled for November 12th in Las Vegas. Is it surprising? No, Floyd usually does this before Pacquiao fights for promotional reasons. Because Floyd knows, just like himself, Pacquiao draws a worldwide attraction to the sport. Which by the way…is great for Boxing.



But the announcement didn’t sit to well with Top Ranks CEO Bob Arum. Here’s what Arum had to say about Team Mayweather’s announcement on Mason & Ireland radio ESPN: “Listen, we’re not going to consider anything until after the Marquez fight,” Arum said. “The way they are going about it seems like a bizarre way to go about it. If you want to put it together, you meet, you talk. You don’t just come out and say, ‘The fight is May 5 at the MGM.’ What kind of negotiation is that? So I don’t take what they said seriously.”


“When they want to do some serious negotiating somebody will call me or (Top Rank president) Todd (DuBoef) and we will sit down and talk. It’s obviously a fight we want to make,” Arum said“.
“Olympic testing is OK for this fight, blood and urine, random testing, no problem,” Arum said.” He also went on to say why book the world famous MGM Grand, when Jerry Jones of the Cowboy Stadium in Texas and other major players will put up millions for the fight?


But here’s my thing, as far as random blood testing goes aka OSRBT. Bob Arum, Freddy Roach, and Pacquiao ONLY say they’ll do the testing with no problem, and are not being specific. So pretty much that’s all they say. Mayweather and some of his team isn’t sure or not whether Manny has been using PEDs, and want testing all the way up to the fight. Randomly, not everyday like some people think. So maybe three random times throughout Manny’s training, for a little teaspoon of blood and some urine.

“Pac’s” fans cry out Pacquiao agreed to testing. And he has, verbally. But no specifics. Ah…but what’s this?



Advisor Michael Koncz has all the specifics he said out of his own mouth on two separate occasions that Pacquiao will only test up to 14 or seven days before the fight.

Personally I don’t care about the testing. But I’m not the one fighting, Floyd is and he wants the testing all the way up to the fight. Alex Ariza was on video even saying why do we have to give in to his [Mayweather] demands. As in he doesn’t even want the testing done.


Roger Mayweather said that’s the behind the scenes reason the fight wont happen.


It’s bad enough Floyd doesn’t want to put a dime in Arums pockets, which I believe if it wasn’t for Arum the fight would’ve happened already. Arum in my opinion doesn’t want the fight. I believe it’s not Floyd or Pac, it’s Arum. He knows win or lose his cash cow will step away from the sport, and ride off into the sunset. He’s going to milk that cow dry. I guarantee come May 5th, there will be no Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.




Another thing I find crazy is how in the world can Arum say Mayweather’s announcement is a joke for Pacquiao being just a POSSIBLE opponent on may 5th, when Arum once gave Mayweather like a two week deadline. Really? May 5th is seven months away that’s plenty of time to negotiate. Pacquiao is a wonderful athlete but he needs to speak up about what he wants. What’s your thoughts fight fans?

[pass1st]

I think we can all agree that the Pac-Mayweather fight isn't really a case of ducking, just Boxing politics.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lobbying for their release = "going into a war zone and conducting rescue operations" in your mind?

And those two aren't concerned in the least with fair and equitable treatment for black people. They're concerned with their pocket books, and if there isn't a race angle to exploit, you won't hear a peep out of them (how often do they come out and condemn black-on-black crime?)

It's about majority oppression...that's what holds people back in life...majority oppression not black on black crime...they address it all the time it just gets no press...blame the main stream media...we have to continue the fight mid...remember the Alamo

[Ashy Larry]

I think we can all agree that the Pac-Mayweather fight isn't really a case of ducking, just Boxing politics.

politics and money ...... Boxing's cash cow has always received a bigger piece of the pie especially from the 1980s on. Tyson, Leonard, Hagler, Holyfield, de la Hoya, now Floyd. Now is he being outrages with some of his demands? yes.

But it doesn't fall squarely and totally upon him. Arum is where many fingers need to point and Manny is actually getting hip to Bob's game. Hopefully his contract isn't for another 5 years.

Cotto saw the light and made 10 million (purse 8, gate and PPV shuld equal 2). More than anything Bob got him.