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    Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Viva Las Espuelas's Avatar
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    Someone is not familiar with the military or the notion of chain of command whatsoever.

    It was POTUS and his VP that were directing him not some middle management scab.
    Didn't answer any of my questions.

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    Didn't answer any of my questions.
    So what? I found the premise of those questions to be ignorant. I am not your quizbot and I am not going to answer leading questions premised on stupidity.

    The reason why that is was relayed to you. He was given directives and intelligence by his superiors. This is not middle management and Powell was career military.

    Perhaps you go about second guessing and undermining your superiors in other agencies/commands but its obvious that you have no idea how the concept of chain of command works.

    He honored the POTUS until they dishonored him.

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    Cheney and all his appointed cronies in the State dept along with the CIA and Tenet where suppressing evidence that Saddam was not connected to Al Queda or 9/11 nor that Saddam any longer possessed chemical weapons and were practically sponsoring anyone who would say that Saddam was an imminent threat...
    I think this is inaccurate, Dan. Cheney and Rumsfeld were involved in CREATING evidence, and had to fight with the CIA to get it into the conversation. Tenet's book said much the same thing that Powell has said.

    Personally, I believe Tenet and Powell more than Cheney and Rumsfeld 10 days out of ten.

    Bush, Cheney, Rice and the neocons WANTED to go to war with Iran, and made the facts match the intent. Everybody else, including Powell and Cheney went along with them. Not exactly profiles in courage, but also not the deceit that the principles could be charged with. (Sorry for the preposition at the end there).

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    I think this is inaccurate, Dan. Cheney and Rumsfeld were involved in CREATING evidence, and had to fight with the CIA to get it into the conversation. Tenet's book said much the same thing that Powell has said.

    Personally, I believe Tenet and Powell more than Cheney and Rumsfeld 10 days out of ten.

    Bush, Cheney, Rice and the neocons WANTED to go to war with Iran, and made the facts match the intent. Everybody else, including Powell and Cheney went along with them. Not exactly profiles in courage, but also not the deceit that the principles could be charged with. (Sorry for the preposition at the end there).
    Tenet sat on his fat ass while he knew Powell was being misled into lobbying Congress to go into Iraq by Cheney and the Neocons...he either lied or was grossly incompetent...

    Neither speaks well for Tenet...

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    they don't give out the Medal of Freedom out for nothing, you know

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    Tenet fell on his sword, like a good centurion

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    Tenet sat on his fat ass while he knew Powell was being misled into lobbying Congress to go into Iraq by Cheney and the Neocons...he either lied or was grossly incompetent...

    Neither speaks well for Tenet...
    If you know that as fact, you need to testify before congress!

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    If you know that as fact, you need to testify before congress!
    Someday, this will all come out before a war crimes tribunal...book it...

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    Someday, this will all come out before a war crimes tribunal...book it...
    By what date? I'm willing to bet.

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    Does it matter? They are war criminals...

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    Does it matter? They are war criminals...
    You made a prediction.

    You aren't going to put your money where your mouth is.

    That's fine.

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    Yes, Bush and other Neocons will be convicted of war crimes someday...that is my prediction...what's your again?

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    Yes, Bush and other Neocons will be convicted of war crimes someday...that is my prediction...what's your again?
    Mine is they won't.

    Ever.

    If you are willing to put a time limit on it, I'd love to make a bet on it.

    I know you won't.

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    Why is that important? Either they are or aren't...

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    Why is that important? Either they are or aren't...
    Either they will be convicted or they won't.

    I say they won't and am willing to bet on it. The only way to really do that is to put a time limit on it.

    I'm sure you won't take the bet because you chicken out every time. No big deal.

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    Does it matter? They are war criminals...
    No they aren't.

    I was in the military during Desert Storm. Saddam Hussein violated the agreements to put in effect to implement the cease fire. This alone gave us the right to pursue war.

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    Think about this Dan...

    It isn't very often Chump and I agree on something.

    Are we both wrong?

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    lol the right

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    We may agree for different reason.

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    Yes, Bush and other Neocons will be convicted of war crimes someday...that is my prediction...what's your again?
    No president will ever be tried or convicted of war crimes. Book it.

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    there's a convention that the preceding administration's crimes are not prosecuted by succeeding administrations. dubya, head, rummy, y, etc are home free.

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    So what? I found the premise of those questions to be ignorant. I am not your quizbot and I am not going to answer leading questions premised on stupidity.
    if they're so stupid then why reply to my post, Stupid?
    Perhaps you go about second guessing and undermining your superiors in other agencies/commands but its obvious that you have no idea how the concept of chain of command works.
    I do if i'm not comfortable with what I'm given. This was one of my stupid questions I asked before, Stupid, but you're refusing to answer which pretty much makes this whole exchange stupid, Stupid. Have it your way.





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    LOL @ bringing up the same garbage that didn't have clout years ago. No one ever created any "evidence". Everyone in the world thought he had WMD's. Powell said from the beginning he wanted to bring up all the other atrocities that Saddam did and Bush said to focus on WMD's.

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    LOL @ bringing up the same garbage that didn't have clout years ago. No one ever created any "evidence". Everyone in the world thought he had WMD's. Powell said from the beginning he wanted to bring up all the other atrocities that Saddam did and Bush said to focus on WMD's.
    mobile bio weapons labs? the administration showed us the images ....

    rummy told us the wmds were 'in and around Tikrit'..except they weren't...

    either incompetents or liars...

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