Found this article and thought we should realy think about this in more detail.
David Stern stated in this interview, " We should be giving out Oscars instead on NBA tropys". He believes something needs to be done about the flopping situation.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012...timate-concern
Now, here are my thoughts on flopping. We need to think about why flopping ever started in the NBA. I believe its because fouls are so seldom called on the offensive player unless its absolutly obvious, which gives a huge advantage to the offensive players. Over the years, players have learned that instead of fighting through the foul and moving on, they could inflate or exagerate the fouls by acting or showing off more of how the offensive created a foul to show the Refs. Thus, a new world of flopping. Bottom line, it worked. Refs would have to call the foul even though they knew it was exagerated due to the contact. Why would anyone stop flopping if you can create fouls going the other direction??
Refs have been letting alot of physical play go for a long time and its nothing new. Back in the 80's, it was out of control. The pistons were very well known for it and it helped them win some championships. In my opinion, back in the 70's the game was more finess and you would never see the amount of physical play as today. Refs at that time never let it get out of control.
As Far as Refs are concerened, they dont really want to be calling fouls all game long too. The people boo you, the players hate the slow play and noone wants to see 50 free throws attempted in a game.
The solution?? Just like little kids, refs have to teach players by example that they are not going to allow the physical play or offense or defense. I think if they did this, we would see alot less of the hard physical play and more athlethic play, which is what everyone wants to see. Problem is, refs have learned that the playoffs are more physical then the regular season and let a lot of physical play go uncalled in the playoffs. If you saw any of the Clips abd Grizz series, you know what Im talking about. Refs have to decide between calling ticky tack fouls that slow down the game and fouls that are to hard. What a job.
Anyone else have ideas how we can stop flopping?
IMO, flopping entered the league with the massive arrival of non anglo-saxon foreign players (esp. players from ex-Yougoslavia, Spain and South America)
As to how can we stop flopping... what about a ''Flopping Commission'' whose task would be to analyse games after the facts and to give floppers multi-game bans
The Spurs really don't flop that much any more. Ginobili will occasionally flail but that happens less and less as the years go by. Most of his flopping happens on defense but it's more about accentuating legitimate contact, tbh. Duncan doesn't use that pull-through move much anymore since they stopped giving him that call. Ginobili and Duncan will whine after non-calls but they rarely if ever whine after a flop.
Parker is the worst flopper I've ever seen. His go-to move is to touch his lip a couple time and pretend he's bleeding. That's about the extent of his flopping.
Bonner flops a lot when going for defensive boards but the refs never call it anyways. He probably has a 100-to-1 flop to call ratio.
Splitter was the king of flops in Europe but he doesn't flop very much in the NBA. Especially this season.
Kawhi doesn't flop. Green rarely. Neal doesn't play defense or get to the line so there's no flopping involved in his game. Diaw doesn't flop much. Jack will flail at times and yell at the ref but not too often. Blair doesn't flop.
If the NBA makes it a point to try to crack down on flopping, the Spurs are pretty safe. The 2005 Spurs might have been in trouble but these Spurs play pretty straight-up.
There are 5 or 6 players in the NBA who are irritating floppers. This group does not include voice floppers like TP and Pau. Their flops are strategic, often crafty, but none-the-less annoying and cuts into the fabric of the purity of the game.
They are: Chris Paul, Andrew Bogut, Anderson Varejao, Reggie Evans , JJ Barea and Derek Fisher.
Chauncey Billups, Dwyane Wade, Manu and Dirk Nowitzki are four of the craftier floppers and at key points in games, but they're less annoying to me.
One thing to watch in this Clippers-Spurs series is Evans. He is super smart and will pull a player's arm into his body, then suddenly throw the arm off of him, flail and rock his head back. Very tricky.
nah, it was brought over by players from soccer countries
We will definitely be out flopped by the clippers. Chris Paul leads the flops and has taught blake griffen almost everything he knows about flopping.
lol @ the whack ass helicopter flop
Any man with any ounce of integrity would be too embarrassed and ashamed to do that. cp got3, no shame.
I think Stern will be FORCED to have to do something about flopping in the next 5 years, but don't kid yourself. He doesn't give a . if he did he'd do something about it.
The Hack-a-Flopper series. Basketball purists are gonna have a field day with this one.
You know what else they don't do a lot of anymore? ing at the referees over calls and no-calls. I watched that last Laker-Nugget game the other night, and I think the Lakers ed at every single whistle for an entire game. I may have missed one or two, but I started really paying attention to it, and while I was watching they never missed a single one.
The Spurs were labeled as being the worst about whining to the refs. But I never saw them come close to what the Lakers were like in that game. If they're going to look at flopping, I would suggest that they re-visit arguing with the refs, too.
I remember Magic Johnson flopping. I know he would drive the lane and when the defender swiped at the ball, Magic would fling his arms out to the side to let the refs know he had been fouled. And then he would give them THAT LOOK!
I wonder if Reggie and Blake will try to sell contact when we intentionally try to foul them.
ROFL
lots of talk and very few ideas on how to fix flopping.
assign technical fouls after reviewing game film. after a few techs, guys start getting suspended right?
although, it'll still be Stern's NBA and it'll be Stern's guys reviewing the film, so the star players in big markets will still get away with it...
Actually, Stern wasn't concerned about flopping, but the person interviewing him kept it up. He said that he brought it up to the rules committee a few years ago and they balked at it.
We all know how to fix it.
Refs need to call fouls WHEN THEY SEE THEM (no star treatment).
And don't call what they DON'T see (flailing arms and head snaps don't mean fouls happened).
Of course, neither of these will ever happen...
Well if the refs called the games like they used to, players wouldn't have to flop.
How do you think teams avg. 110pts a game in the late 70's early 80's.
We all know how to fix it.
Refs need to call fouls WHEN THEY SEE THEM (no star treatment).
And don't call what they DON'T see (flailing arms and head snaps don't mean fouls happened).
Of course, neither of these will ever happen...
..............also very true. If it weren't for flopping the league wouldn't be able to control who the "stars" would be.
They didn't shoot threes.
Honestly I'm not the type of person that gives a about whatever the arbitrary "integrity of the game" is, so flops that accentuate legitimate contact don't really bother me. It's the flops that change the pace of the game and trick the refs that really frustrate me, however I think that this whole "flopping is killing basketball" ruckus that is going around the internet is a distraction from what is really killing the game for me, which is "superstar calls." The refs in the Pacers Heat game were horrendously bad, effectively taking Hill, George, and Hibbert out of the game. This is something that the Spurs are just going to have to deal with I suppose, if our finals route ends up being LAC, OKC, then MIA.
This is exactly why Pop has an affection for 3 pt shooters. If you have make enough 3 pt shots you effectively take the refs out of the equations. 3pt shooter don't foul out or get in serious foul trouble. The fact that we have so many now the refs are at loss at who really to concentrate on. My guess is that they will try their best to take timmy and tiago out of game, but the 3pt shooters we have always gives us a chance to win any game.
CIA POP likes to Stern with actions not words.
This doesn't make since......they made more 2's
Manu flops but its more of exaggeratin contact. Its not out of thin air. But he doesnt writhe in pain rolling around the floor. Whether he gets the call or not he gets up and goes back down the court.
Cp3 will make motions of contact when no contact has occurred. he even does this in dead ball situations. The worst part is that he yells so adamantly like he just got raped in front of the ref and he missed it.
Chris Paul - KING of flopps
You cannot fix flopping as long as fouls are not reviewable. If fouls were reviewable, the coach could have 3 or 4 challenges. If he loses the challenge, he gives up one of his challenges, if he win, he doesn't and he's not charged for a timeout. If there was a flop, and it's decided as much, then the offender gets a foul against him and gives up 2 shots and the ball out of bounds.
If the coach challenges the foul on the grounds of flopping, and he's wrong (he rarely would be), the opposing team gets 2 free throws and the ball out of bounds.
The refs should be left out of it.
There would be no challenges for anything other than flopping. Knowing how to take a charge isn't flopping. That CP3 does is flopping.
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