Clippers-Spurs a better match than you think

[sa_butta]

Most people seem to believe the Spurs have a big advantage in their Western Conference semifinal matchup with the Clippers. After all, they're the well-rested team with championship experience. The Clips are supposedly too young and too banged up to win this series.

I think the opposite may be true.

To me, the tough, physical, grueling seven-game series that Los Angeles just played with Memphis is what playoff basketball is all about. Yes, the Clippers got dinged up – Caron Butler broke a hand, Chris Paul strained his hip flexor, Blake Griffin sprained a knee – but they also got battle-tested. If they're relatively healthy, I think they'll benefit from what they went through in the first round.

Playoff basketball is extremely physical, and the Spurs haven't had to play that kind of basketball yet. They didn't get tested by the Jazz in the first round. They were able to play the same up-and-down style they used in the regular season. They played 11 guys and limited the minutes of their older stars. Now they've had a full week to rest some more, but is that really such a good thing?

Rest can mean rust. If you haven't played in a while, it's hard to get up to speed quickly. I think the Clippers have a great chance to steal Game 1 in San Antonio on Tuesday. They've been playing intense, physical basketball for a while now and don't have to change their mentality. Are the Spurs mentally and physically ready? We'll see.

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[Clippersfan86]

He is right about the similarities. Spurs and Clippers are both elite offenses that have an elite PG leading the helm and a star PF as the horse (More so for Duncan in previous seasons). Both teams are also loaded with shooters. The biggest difference is going to be the coaching and chemistry for San Antonio. When you've been together so many years and been through so much you just know how to win.

Other analysts have put it well when they say San Antonio isn't ever going to beat themselves. Due to that experience as a unit their execution is ELITE. This is what's going to unravel the Clippers. That being said all the talk of a sweep needs to end. Not saying it can't happen but you're REALLY underestimating the Clippers if you don't think they at least have a shot to steal two games.

Clippers have won something like 16 of their last 17 home games. In LA they will win at least one, maybe both.

[FromWayDowntown]

Clippers have won something like 16 of their last 17 home games. In LA they will win at least one, maybe both.

Something's got to give there. The Spurs have won 22 of their last 25 road games.

By the way, including the first round, the Clippers are 13-2 in their last 15 home games and 14-3 in their last 17

[Clippersfan86]

Something's got to give there. The Spurs have won 22 of their last 25 road games.

Oh not saying by any means it's impressive or anything. Spurs have 10 game win streaks regularly, Clippers have never had one for example. Just saying Clippers are not going to be a pushover at Staples. They NEVER win in San Antonio though so I expect the team to be 0-2 headed back home. We'll see if the Clippers can miraculously steal one in SA.

[sa_butta]

He is right about the similarities. Spurs and Clippers are both elite offenses that have an elite PG leading the helm and a star PF as the horse (More so for Duncan in previous seasons). Both teams are also loaded with shooters. The biggest difference is going to be the coaching and chemistry for San Antonio. When you've been together so many years and been through so much you just know how to win.

Other analysts have put it well when they say San Antonio isn't ever going to beat themselves. Due to that experience as a unit their execution is ELITE. This is what's going to unravel the Clippers. That being said all the talk of a sweep needs to end. Not saying it can't happen but you're REALLY underestimating the Clippers if you don't think they at least have a shot to steal two games.

Clippers have won something like 16 of their last 17 home games. In LA they will win at least one, maybe both.

I think most have Spurs in 5. I think the Clippers win game 3 at home, but the Spurs are so good at coming on strong after a loss, I can't see them winning two in a row. Chris Paul has the ability to keep most of the games close, but his time on the bench will be when the Spurs can pull away.

[Clippersfan86]

But both Griffin and Paul are injured and they are going to have to play a team that pushes the ball offensively and are worlds better than the Grizz at doing so. Spurs were the lowest in fouls committed and turnovers in the NBA this season, something the Grizz were atrocious at against the Clips last series. That is why many people at this point pick the Spurs in 5 and wouldn't be surprise if its a sweep.

I agree on both Griffin+Paul carrying injuries having a negative effect. Just saying this is the number 4 offense vs the number 1 offense. If the Clippers DO get hot they are one of a handful of teams that can match the firepower of the Spurs. So if it turns into a shootout there is no guarantee the Spurs win it.

I think the Grizzlies are the best or 2nd best frontcourt in the NBA after the Lakers. Clippers overcame them and now they have to deal with the perimeter threat of San Antonio. Which means DJ+Griffin are likely to have a much better series. If the Clippers can control the paint they can steal 2 games as I said.

It would take divine intervention for them to win the series though.

[Clippersfan86]

I think most have Spurs in 5. I think the Clippers win game 3 at home, but the Spurs are so good at coming on strong after a loss, I can't see them winning two in a row. Chris Paul has the ability to keep most of the games close, but his time on the bench will be when the Spurs can pull away.

Eric Bledsoe has given Tony Parker and the Spurs problems every time he's gotten solid minutes. I think he needs to either be starting at the 2 or be the first man off the bench this series. I think he can wreak serious havoc on your wing players defensively. Point is when CP3 goes to bench the offense struggles to score but the defense picks up significantly.

[DBMethos]

The Spurs are still a mystery to me. They have their championship core, plus Stephen Jackson, but they also have seven or eight young guys who have been playing key roles . How will those young guys react when they get their first real taste of playoff basketball? And will the Spurs be able to keep using 11 or 12 guys, or will they need to shorten their bench and lean on their stars?

Did the Spurs not play in the first round? Sure the Jazz weren't the greatest, but I'd bet they would have given a couple of other playoff teams a run for their money.

[dougp]

The picture where they say BG is better than Duncan sums up how I probably feel about that article.

Wrong. Until BG can actually shoot consistently from midrange, he will never, EVER be better than Duncan. Oh, and learn some post defense.

[dougp]

The picture where they say BG is better than Duncan sums up how I probably feel about that article.

Wrong. Until BG can actually shoot consistently from midrange, he will never, EVER be better than Duncan. Oh, and learn some post defense.

[Clippersfan86]

Doug you need to live in reality. Griffin is a second year player who put up 21, 11 and 3 this season with 54 percent shooting. Duncan hasn't been at that level statistically for what 3 seasons now? Duncan is more refined but he's absolutely not the better player.

[FromWayDowntown]

Doug you need to live in reality. Griffin is a second year player who put up 21, 11 and 3 this season with 54 percent shooting. Duncan hasn't been at that level statistically for what 3 seasons now? Duncan is more refined but he's absolutely not the better player.

Wait -- normalize the difference to account for the disparity in minutes played (Griffin plays about 8 more minutes per game than Duncan did during the regular season)

Per 36 minutes:

Tim Duncan
19.7 pts
11.5 reb
2.9 ast
1.9 blk

Blake Griffin
20.6 pts
10.8 reb
3.2 ast
0.7 blk

[Clippersfan86]

Wait -- normalize the difference to account for the disparity in minutes played (Griffin plays about 8 more minutes per game than Duncan did during the regular season)

Per 36 minutes:

Tim Duncan
19.7 pts
11.5 reb
2.9 ast
1.9 blk

Blake Griffin
20.6 pts
10.8 reb
3.2 ast
0.7 blk

Projected stats don't work for a 36 year old player. Duncan is playing little minutes because he CAN'T play 38 minutes a game anymore. Projecting the same production he gives now over 36 or 48 minutes isn't accurate. Duncan is the better defender and smarter player, that's about it. Griffin is passing more, scoring better and rebounding more.

I have no problem saying Duncan is still a star or borderline star but to say he's BETTER than Griffin at this point is denial.

[SpurinDallas]

Projected stats don't work for a 36 year old player. Duncan is playing little minutes because he CAN'T play 38 minutes a game anymore. Projecting the same production he gives now over 36 or 48 minutes isn't accurate. Duncan is the better defender and smarter player, that's about it. Griffin is passing more, scoring better and rebounding more.

I have no problem saying Duncan is still a star or borderline star but to say he's BETTER than Griffin at this point is denial.

To say Duncan is a "borderline star" make you a ing idiot.

[coyotes_geek]

Doug you need to live in reality. Griffin is a second year player who put up 21, 11 and 3 this season with 54 percent shooting. Duncan hasn't been at that level statistically for what 3 seasons now? Duncan is more refined but he's absolutely not the better player.

Comparing regular season numbers between Duncan and Griffin is pretty flawed. Duncan's 36 and spent the year on a team who looks at the regular season as a playoff pre-season and limited his minutes accordingly. Griffin is a 23 year old playing for a team who had something to prove in the regular season. As FWD just showed, when you normalize for minutes, Duncan is every bit as productive as Griffin is. When you factor in how there's more half court basketball in the playoffs, and how the half court game isn't Griffin's strenght, I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect Tim Duncan to be the more productive player in this series.

[Clippersfan86]

To say Duncan is a "borderline star" make you a ing idiot.

He was absent from the all star team despite being incredibly popular and respected by everybody. That says it all. Love, Griffin, Aldridge and Zbo (when healthy) are all better at this point.

[slick'81]

lol clipper fan

[Clippersfan86]

Comparing regular season numbers between Duncan and Griffin is pretty flawed. Duncan's 36 and spent the year on a team who looks at the regular season as a playoff pre-season and limited his minutes accordingly. Griffin is a 23 year old playing for a team who had something to prove in the regular season. As FWD just showed, when you normalize for minutes, Duncan is every bit as productive as Griffin is. When you factor in how there's more half court basketball in the playoffs, and how the half court game isn't Griffin's strenght, I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect Tim Duncan to be the more productive player in this series.

I never said Duncan can't outplay Griffin this series. Griffin has a knee sprain and is in his first playoff run of his career. Duncan is the smarter and more experienced player so it's possible. Griffin also struggles with Duncan's length. That being said it doesn't mean Duncan is the better player.

[SpurinDallas]

He was absent from the all star team despite being incredibly popular and respected by everybody. That says it all. Love, Griffin, Aldridge and Zbo (when healthy) are all better at this point.

He's a Legend, an active Hall of Famer. For a Clips "fan" to call him a borderline star is just stupid.

[TheSkeptic]

Eric Bledsoe has given Tony Parker and the Spurs problems every time he's gotten solid minutes. I think he needs to either be starting at the 2 or be the first man off the bench this series. I think he can wreak serious havoc on your wing players defensively. Point is when CP3 goes to bench the offense struggles to score but the defense picks up significantly.

How's it going Clipper fan? Congratulations on beating the Grizzlies btw. I didn't think you guys had it in you.

Actually I'm very interested in seeing how Del Negro plans to use Bledsoe for this series. We saw firsthand how tough the Clippers are when they (okay maybe just Mo Williams) get hot and so for that it wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs get pushed to 6. I'm thinking Spurs in about 5 but the Clips could just as easily steal 2 imo.

Assuming Diaw/Bonner are able to do an adequate job on Griffin though I'm not convinced that the LAC frontcourt is going to hurt us all that much offensively. I think it'll come down to bench play, coaching, and perimeter defense personally and that's where I have mixed emotions.

The Spurs have a slightly better bench than the Clippers and a way way way (no offence) better coach. Thing is, guys like Green have trouble with screens, Neal can't guard anybody, and to me Manu has looked better guarding larger players. Leonard's been good on guys like Rudy Gay but I'm not fully sure what to expect against the Clips. I'm thinking we'll most likely have a better idea after tonight.

[Spurs da champs]

Besides Bynum, Tim is hands down the best center in the west I'm not all that impressed with Marc Gasol.

[Clippersfan86]

He's a Legend, an active Hall of Famer. For a Clips "fan" to call him a borderline star is just stupid.

What's so wrong or stupid about it? The guy is about to turn 37. I consider him a top 10-15 player of all time. One of the greatest bigmen ever. To say RIGHT NOW he's not a top 3 PF isn't a personal insult so stop being so sensitive.

[SpurinDallas]

What's so wrong or stupid about it? The guy is about to turn 37. I consider him a top 10-15 player of all time. One of the greatest bigmen ever. To say RIGHT NOW he's not a top 3 PF isn't a personal insult so stop being so sensitive.

Of the remaining PF in the playoffs, rank them in your order. I'm curious to see how you think

[Clippersfan86]

Of the remaining PF in the playoffs, rank them in your order. I'm curious to see how you think

1. Griffin
2. Gasol
3. KG
4. Duncan

In terms of best PF's left in playoffs. Love, Aldridge, Zbo, Smith are all out of the playoffs. I'm going by individually best player for 2011-2012, not current production so far in the playoffs. KG has probably been the best PF overall this year in the playoffs.

BTW the tricky part is Duncan has been playing center for what 8 years now? Pop and Duncan both call TD a center. So is it fair to even call him a PF or compare him to PF's? I'd say he's the best center in this playoffs outside of Bynum.

[SpurinDallas]

1. Griffin
2. Gasol
3. KG
4. Duncan

In terms of best PF's left in playoffs. Love, Aldridge, Zbo, Smith are all out of the playoffs. I'm going by individually best player for 2011-2012, not current production so far in the playoffs. KG has probably been the best PF overall this year in the playoffs.

BTW the tricky part is Duncan has been playing center for what 8 years now? Pop and Duncan both call TD a center. So is it fair to even call him a PF or compare him to PF's? I'd say he's the best center in this playoffs outside of Bynum.

LOL @ Griffin #1. Guy is benched in clutch time so he won't get put on the FT Line.