Reply With Quote
aggie
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...-12/54961026/1
Probably not, but it sounds like a lot of Seminoles are begging for it to happen.
BTW, this would be HUGE for the Big XII. Florida State draws a big network.
Not sure what to make of this. I do agree that this is very similar in the way the rumors started as compared to mizzou when they left the big 12. Well have to wait and see on this one, but I for one would like to see FSU in the big 12..
They're complaining about the NC schools having too much power. They should get on the phone and ask why A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left.
Can't get us off your mind?
Can't get UT off your mind?
This subject is funny cause aggies all over are posting on different blogs about the big 12 and primarily UT of course. Just cant seem to move on i guess....
Colorado left because they fit in better with West coast than they ever did with the Big 8/12
Nebraska and aggy left because they can't stand losing to Texas, and they both always lost to Texas.
Missouri left because they are little es and that that is what little es do.
A&M left because they love losing and will lose even more in the SEC
ing dumbasses
Why did those schools leave again?
The deal is done.
The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.
No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it. What many of you don't know is Clemson AD Terry Don Phillips was the Oklahoma State AD just before Mike Holder took over; it was Phillips who gave Les Miles his first head coaching job.
If you want drama look to Tallahassee.
FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.
Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.
He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.
What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.
Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct compe ive advantage.
If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.
FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.
Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.
Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.
The deal is done.
Some notes:
The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a 13th member.
ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries about NCAA violations.
Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.
There is a deal in place and a standing offer for Notre Dame, however Notre Dame wants to come in all sports but football. For the B12, this is not an option.
A&M hasn't played an SEC game yet. Hard to move on when we are still playing big12 teams in all sports. Once next season begins A&M fans will realize what we have in front of us and the big 12 and whoever they get will be an afterthought.
it's making its way across forums, I am guessing a blog post.
This is the last I saw from yesterday:
I agree this would be a great pickup by the Big12 if it happens.I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:
In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:
1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC.
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools.
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU.
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be compe ive.
But, in contrast:
1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.
2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin -- I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a compe ive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.
3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be compe ive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.
4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.
5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium.
6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.
7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.
I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion ¬ it has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this ins ution, but it must be a reasoned decision.
Eric Barron
President
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1uy7DqxyB
why is aggy the last to know what will be in front of him in the SEC
That's the same letter from the op link
This is making it's way around sports sites:
Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman that the Seminoles are "a long ways away” in both their distance and prospects of leaving the ACC and joining the Big 12.
Dodds maintains that there is currently "no traction" to an FSU move and that there have been "no conversations between Florida State and the Big 12.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodds-n...9801--nfl.html
I think eventually UT is going to have to make some pretty sizable concessions to get many more quality members in the Big (insert integer here), like making the Longhorn Network much more of a conference network.
The only rub there is UT doesn't have to bring in many more quality members.
Why they left?
Why did Nebraska leave? Tom Osborne thinks way more of his athletics program that the rest of the nation does and was pissed off that UT got not only more money, but more attention. The TV rights were broken up originally into the person on TV the most, and when it became evident that more people wanted to watch UT during those years on TV than wanted to watch boring grind it out Nebraska, he pitched a . He disguised it under the supposed 'we need a smarter conference' when Nebraska ranked just above average in the B12 and now is undeniably last in the B10. Why they left? Osborne refused to play second fiddle to UT; now he gets to do it with Ohio/Mich/Penn. Heck even Wisc. How's that working out for you Dr. Tom?
Why did Colorado leave? Colorado left because for YEARS there has been speculation they were a better fit in the P10 than the B8/12. At the very least, the P10 had people in their time zone. When everyone was already reporting that Mizzou was gone to the B10 and Nebraska suddenly went before Mizzou did, CU heard from Dodds and Boren about moving to the P10, which was the original plan. CU wanted to be proactive and make a move that many thought they should have years ago and go before anyone else did. In hindsight, they may have very well not moved if they knew only Nebraska would jump ship in the beginning and everyone else would stay put. Why did CU leave? They jumped the gun.
Why did atm leave? They were tired of being second fiddle to UT. They got less exposure, less money, less attention and less wins than UT did and they didn't like it. atm has one of the most over inflated self-opinions that you will ever see anywhere on the planet and they weren't about to play second fiddle to a team in their own state. Additionally, their AD was so far in debt (15-25 MIL by most estimates) and they were about to come due on a huge loan they couldn't possibly pay off, and the UT goes and brokers a deal for CU and Neb to pay way less and the money would not go to individual schools like had been first proposed. atm was so super pissed UT did that without their 'permission' and had no way to pay off their debt, so they turned to the SEC. SEC was more than ecstatic to get a foothold into Texas recruiting so they quickly pulled the trigger, agreeing to pay off atm's AD loan and their exit fee with their huge coffers. atm got out of UT's shadow and got their debt paid off. Now they just have to worry about fighting Mississippi State and Ole Miss for 4th in their division. Why did atm leave? Penis Envy and empty pockets.
Why did Mizzou leave? Mizzou has been on the lookout for a better deal for years. They pros uted themselves to the B10 over and over and the B10 chose Nebraska, instead. Mizzou has long been ing about the fact they get picked last every year in Bowl destinations, still complains daily how they beat KU and yet KU still got the Orange Bowl, and is in general just a whiney kid on the playground that thinks everyone needs to cater to him and is constantly on the lookout for a better deal. Now they just have to worry about fighting Vanderbilt and Kentucky for last in their division. Why did Mizzou leave? They wanted to be a whipping boy for LSU and Bama instead of UT and uo.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
game set match
that should be required reading in schools
AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. –The Florida State-Big 12 saga took another interesting twist Wednesday.
Former Seminoles football star and former university Board of Trustees member Derrick Brooks said on national radio that the Big 12 Conference reached out to FSU,not the other way around.
Brooks was speaking on the Tim Brando show when he made the comments.
"From my understanding, it is the Big 12, you know, wanting to talk to us," Brooks said. "Again, that's from my understanding. That appears to be the case."
......more
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...-12/55029626/1
it's fun to guess what will stick.
I think this particular instance is just more wishful thinking by Seminole fan that wants out of the ACC.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
