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    '92 Bulls needed a 7-game series to beat New York in the semi-finals, 6 games to beat Cleveland, 6 games to beat Portland..

    They aren't winning without Grant..

    1996 may be the only exception..

    Regardless, Lebron does need to play slightly better, and Wade needs to play A LOT better, for Miami to even have a shot..

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    Take Rodman or Grant off those Bulls teams, and they aren't winning , tbh..
    That's sort of irrelevant because those Bulls teams minus Rodman or Grant are still much better than the current Heat minus Bosh. The Heat have nothing around their big 3 because they wanted too much money. They were arrogant and figured everyone would flock to them and play for league minimum just to win a le. What they didn't expect is for most of the league to dislike their egos so much that they would rather just go to Boston or Chicago or New York and try to win there.

    Anyway, the heat are worse than the Bulls were by far. After all, JORDAN went off the team in '94, and what happened? 55 wins and still nearly won the damn le.

    They took off Grant in '95, then won 3 straight from 96-98 by plugging in unwanted headcase Rodman who was practically non-existant on the offensive end. Replace Rodman with halfway decent rebounding big and they at least still win in it 96 and 97 anyway.

    Jordan and Pippen >>>>>>> LeBron and Wade. Wade being the runt of the litter here.

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    Pacers behavior is pretty ghetto TBH….Making the choke sign after LeBron misses a free throw…Stay Classy…

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    lol people who act like Wade has been a top 5 player at any point this year. His numbers are the lowest they've been since his rookie year.
    Stephen A. and Skip were saying they believe Wade's struggles this season were due to him spending too much time babying Lebron. Lebron taking everyone down with him.

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    Unfortunately for the Heat, Bosh's potential rescue isn't likely to happen anytime soon, and there's a chance it might not even happen in this playoffs. What Wade's meltdown and the Heat's 19-point loss on Thursday underlined was the fact that the Heat desperately miss what Bosh brings to the table.

    As a smooth-shooting power forward, Bosh functioned as the team's stabilizer and perhaps more importantly, the scoring buffer between Wade and James. Heat coach Erik Spoelstra has insisted over the last two seasons that Bosh, not Wade or James, is the most vital player on the Heat roster. But each time the coach made that statement, the declaration was usually met with an air of mocking skepticism.

    Bosh, the most valuable Heat player? The guy who averaged 18.0 points and 7.9 rebounds this past season after averaging 24.0 and 10.8 rebounds in 2009-10? The guy who has scored over 30 points just twice this season? The guy who promised in the preseason to average 10 rebounds a game this season and he couldn't even average over eight?

    Yes, that guy.

    Though often a punchline and target of ridicule, Bosh thrives in the single most important play in professional basketball, the pick-and-roll. When Bosh went down, the Heat also lost one of their greatest weapons in the halfcourt: a simple screen for James or Wade to give them space to work their magic. Now, Bosh is being replaced by non-scorers in Udonis Haslem, Joel Anthony and Ronny Turiaf, and the Heat offense has never looked so clogged.

    Bosh is often labeled as soft because of his finesse game that includes a nearly automatic mid-range jumper. Among the dozens of players with at least 100 shots from 10-15 feet this season, no one shot better than Bosh's 49.5 percent conversion rate, according to Hoopdata.com. No one was better. Not Dirk Nowitzki. Not Kobe Bryant. Not Kevin Durant.

    For this reason, he creates a dilemma for his defender in the pick-and-roll. Leave Bosh to wall off James or Wade's penetration? Or shade toward Bosh and make sure the most sure-handed mid-range shooter doesn't get an open look?

    Watch how Roy Hibbert and David West "guard" the Heat's big men. Or better yet, watch how they sag into the paint and completely ignore the Heat's big men. Watch how Wade and James settle for pull-up jumpers -- their least potent weapon in their arsenal next to heaving halfcourt shots -- because multiple bodies are anchored in their way.

    Or better yet, just listen to Hibbert.

    "Without [Bosh] in the game, I can wander a little bit more and make the paint look a little more crowded and block more shots," Hibbert said following Thursday's rout. "When he's there I have to respect his ability."

    To see the Bosh effect, look no further than Wade's whopping total of two shots derived from the pick-and-roll in Game 3. According to SynergySports, Wade missed both of his shots after a screen and they were both as a result of Hibbert's noted lack of respect for big men in red. Wade clanked a running floater over Hibbert in the third quarter because the 7-foot-2 All-Star shifted over to Wade, ignoring Turiaf. On another possession, Wade got blocked by Hibbert after the screen because Anthony was never deemed a threat as a roll man.

    The pick-and-roll used to be Wade's bread-and-butter, the vehicle that he road to a le in 2006, but without Bosh, it's almost useless. The Pacers can throw two on the ball and lure Wade into rolling the dice on a jump shot. The result? Wade has shot a putrid 16 percent (4-for-25) on jumpers since Pacers coach Frank Vogel had a day to gameplan for the Heat's post-Bosh offense in Game 2.

    James has enjoyed more success than Wade in the pick-and-roll game since Bosh got hurt, but he certainly feels the effects of Bosh's absence. Because the Heat can ill-afford to play two big men without any semblance of scoring ability, ]James often is forced to play power forward and exhaust himself defensively on big men. James ran around like a man possessed defensively in the first half and then predictably trailed off after halftime.

    There's little evidence that Bosh's skill-set has diminished since he came to Miami, only his role. Bosh has proved that he can be the scorer we knew in Toronto if he gets the touches. Consider that in Wade's nine-game absence in January this season, Bosh averaged 26 points per game on 59 percent shooting. He sacrificed touches when he came to Miami and did it for the goal of winning that elusive le.

    Spoelstra maintains that the Heat "have enough" to replace Bosh's presence. Now, Bosh can only watch from afar while the Heat struggle to survive without him. As we're seeing now in the case of Bosh, sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone.

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    Bosh the real Mvp?

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    Quality thread LnG. When the Lakers had 2 of the best players in the world + scrubs, they 3peated. Maybe Bron and Wade are not as good as advertised?
    And now Kobe is the only player in history to be considered the 11th best player ever & have 2 current top 5 bigs and not even be considered a contender (per most laker fans)

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    @ all these haters and their false hope that Miami will fail this year. I am as confident in Miami as I was the minute the lockout ended. No team this season is good enough to beat the Heat 4 times. Only Miami can stop themselves.

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    We didn't pretend they were stars. You straight called them scrubs, which they are obviously not. Scrubs are Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts, you know, the two players who you claimed would replicate Lamar Odom's production
    They sure replicated this year's Lamar Odom production.

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    "As we're seeing now in the case of Bosh, sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone."

    It's the opposite with the Spurs this year in the playoffs. Sometimes you don't know what you have until everyone's healthy.

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    Tbh LeBron should take it upon himself to guard Hibbert.

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    Heat cancel practice, unavailable to media

    "there's a couple of our guys crying in the lockeroom"

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    If bosh is so important, why did lebron win the mvp?

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    Bosh can't guard Hibbert either ... But of course they miss him though Turiaf barely was a starter on some bad Knicks teams and was the 3rd or 4th big on some mediocre Lakers squads. That being said, they should still beat Indy and if they lose LeBron will catch even if Wade is the one not playing at an elite level

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    Hibbert isn't even a standout player..

    His post moves are terrible, and he moves like a robot..he's also a terrible passer..

    However, like I said, he doesn't even have to guard anybody anymore, which makes him look better on the offensive end..with Bosh in the game, Hibbert probably picks up fouls and wastes energy..

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    Also, as I said prior to last game, Miami should still win this series, but Indiana >> the banged up Clippers and = the Kobe-centric Lakers..

    I don't know why many are acting as if Indiana is a ty team..

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    Indiana giving people hope that an undermanned Heat team will lose..

    Wade will drop 30 next game, book it..

    Lebron and Wade will receive MVP chants in Indiana, the crowd will be primarily Heat fans IMO..
    Anymore foolish predictions Harlem?

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    Well now we know why you started this thread.

    I'm pretty sure I said they could beat the Pacers without Bosh. They lost last night because of Wade and ty bigs.
    If you noticed, I called out Heatfans who wanted to about Bosh's absence. I haven't seen you do that, so this post didn't apply to you. Reading is tech.

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    Also, as I said prior to last game, Miami should still win this series, but Indiana >> the banged up Clippers and = the Kobe-centric Lakers..

    I don't know why many are acting as if Indiana is a ty team..
    Indiana's not ty, but they're also not great either. They're a meh team with no superstars. Basketball is the most talent-driven sport out there as far as the "parts being better than the whole" concept is concerned.

    Indiana doesn't have ONE guy who can consistently take over games, while Miami has 2. OKC has 3, the Lakers have 2.5, the Celtics have Rondo and Garnett (and Pierce has had some great playoff games this year as well). Spurs and Clippers have a couple each.

    The only teams left w/o superstars are Philly and Indy, so the fact they have no bosses and are primarily young teams is the reason people are shocked.

    It's not like Indy's getting by with bull either--people keep saying the Heat should be up 2-1 or 3-0, but disregard the fact that Indy had them on the ropes for 3.5 quarters in Game 1 as well.

    They're getting outcoached, outworked, and outsmarted.

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    They sure replicated this year's Lamar Odom production.

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    Also, from a realistic, global perspective--LeBron James will be a colossal failure if he loses this series. Although I still think Miami ends up taking it (in 7), a loss would be another damaging hit to his legacy.

    The everyday fan and the sports media machine will not give 2 s about Chris Bosh being injured, or how bad Spo is running LBJ into the ground. All that'll matter is that the league MVP couldn't lead his team past a star-less Indiana Pacers team even with HCA.

    Under these same cir stances, a loss to Boston or against any west team besides LAC would be somewhat understandable and forgivable, but not to Indiana. It doesn't matter if LBJ plays as well as he did against Orlando in 2009--if the endgame's a series loss then he's ed.

    The game is the game.

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    anybody that downplays Bosh's impact, on a team that only has 3 consistent players, including no other big man that can do anything productive, is an idiot..

    Bosh was statistically Miami's 2nd most valuable player, this year..Miami's go-to play is the pick&roll between Lebron and Bosh, which has now been replaced by Haslem and Anthony..

    Miami would have been better off losing Wade, tbh, since there would be better balance with a perimeter player and big man..either way, any logical fan would know that a team that relies on 3 players won't win a le without 1..

    Roy Hibbert has a terrible history guarding Bosh..prior to his injury in game 1, Bosh had his way with him..now, Hibbert doesn't even have to give any effort on D, other than weakside help, and he can use most of his energy utilizing his mediocre offensive game, with success..

    Take Rodman or Grant off those Bulls teams, and they aren't winning , tbh..
    Yeah, I agree with this.

    Especially the Hibbert vs Bosh matchup. Hibbert is too slow and imobile. He'd be a huge liability versus Bosh. Now they can't pull him off the paint because those other guys don't really need to be guarded.

    Still, the Clippers have it worse, with their two best players at 20% of their full capacity and we aren't whining about it.

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    Indiana is underrated in this board. They're a very cohesive team with pieces that complement each other well. Their defensive weakness (a gigantic one) is Hibbert's slowness and pick'n'roll defense - if a team can't take advantage of that, then Indiana becomes an elite defensive team.

    I keep saying - with Bosh out, Indiana and Miami are at the same level.

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    Also, from a realistic, global perspective--LeBron James will be a colossal failure if he loses this series. Although I still think Miami ends up taking it (in 7), a loss would be another damaging hit to his legacy.

    The everyday fan and the sports media machine will not give 2 s about Chris Bosh being injured, or how bad Spo is running LBJ into the ground. All that'll matter is that the league MVP couldn't lead his team past a star-less Indiana Pacers team even with HCA.
    It doesn't help him when he predicts multiple championships like a face.

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    indiana is legit, they are balanced on the offensive end, have a real center on d, and play team ball

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