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    I don't think Indiana is legit at all. I think they just match up particularly well against the Heat because they can expose the Heat's weaknesses inside and on the glass. They are balanced and they are playing pretty well especially defensively. But I'm not all that impressed by them. The Bosh absence certainly doesn't help, but I still think the Heat should win the series. I think they're under-performing, allowing Indiana to exploit their weaknesses inside, and they're playing mentally weak and fragile right now.

    Indiana is a good team. They're not great.

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    Bosh's absence didn't have anything to do with Wade scoring 5, bricking an open layup for the lead or turning the ball over a bunch.

    Bosh didn't make James a huge during 4th quarters, either.

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    However, I want to know more about the Heat acquiring a "legit center." Exactly who could they have gotten last summer? I just mentioned that the Heat couldn't have matched the contract Dalembert got from Houston. What legit center was out there and available? This league is devoid of quality centers already. And the centers that are even remotely legitimate are difficult to acquire. Maybe they go after Chris Kaman this summer.
    I wasn't referring to last summer, I was referring to the summer they got Haslem and Miller.

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    Miami should have kept one of those centers with beef like Dampier or Magloire. A physical big. It'd be useful in this series to throw at Hibbert. The guys they kept are all too similar in terms of style: Howard, Turiaf, Anthony, Haslem... smaller, more finnesse role-players.

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    Spoelstra's system doesn't suit bigger Cs, which is why he has loaded the team with "quick and athletic" undersized bigs..his defensive system demands quickness..

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    Good luck with that. Hibbert is going to eat Dampier and Magloire alive.

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    I know Shaq was fat, but counting him as two players is just mean.
    I just saw this. Well played son.

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    I wasn't referring to last summer, I was referring to the summer they got Haslem and Miller.
    And who is the legitimate center they should have signed in the summer of 2010?

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    Tbh LeBron should take it upon himself to guard Hibbert.
    I wish that would happen! He'd be in foul trouble trying to guard 7'2" Hibbert.

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    LeBron had no trouble guarding a 7-footer Pau Gasol. I don't see how he can't guard Hibbert. Ohhhhhh Hibbert is not soft compared to Pau.

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    I put LeBron on Hibbert and field a starting unit of LeBron-Wade-Miller-Battier-Haslem getting the big minutes. LeBron's job, front Hibbert on the post, and gain defensive rebounding position when he's defending him on the weakside. LeBron is strong and quick enough to do both of those things.

    Then the Pacers have to figure out who Hibbert guards at the other end. And the Heat run the Pacers into the ground. It's not an optimum solution for LeBron to expend so much energy defensively. But with the way the Heat bigs have not come to play so far this series, it's a bold move to force the issue with the Pacers.

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    Not a bad strategy to experiment, tbh..

    Hibbert has ty post moves and he's slow as ..I doubt Indiana can adjust to aggressive fronting and swarming..I doubt it happens, though..

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    Hibbert is so slow that if you pitted him with Enes Kanter in a race, the entire audience would be asleep before either of them gets to the halfway point.

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    I put LeBron on Hibbert and field a starting unit of LeBron-Wade-Miller-Battier-Haslem getting the big minutes. LeBron's job, front Hibbert on the post, and gain defensive rebounding position when he's defending him on the weakside. LeBron is strong and quick enough to do both of those things.

    Then the Pacers have to figure out who Hibbert guards at the other end. And the Heat run the Pacers into the ground. It's not an optimum solution for LeBron to expend so much energy defensively. But with the way the Heat bigs have not come to play so far this series, it's a bold move to force the issue with the Pacers.
    He said playing PF is taxing. How in the do you think he's gonna be able guard a legit center? Hibbert is bigger than every PF Bron will ever have to guard. LeHype is strong and can jump out the gym, but you cant teach size. LeHype is no Rodman. He'll get killed down low.

    And you would really trot Mller Bttier and Hslem with Bron and Wade v. them young Pacers? I wish Spo does that. They'd lose the series in 5.

    Small ball doesn't win in the playoffs. Ask HOF bound Steve Nash.

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    LeBron had no trouble guarding a 7-footer Pau Gasol. I don't see how he can't guard Hibbert. Ohhhhhh Hibbert is not soft compared to Pau.
    Your last sentence is the key. Hibbert is no soft Euro.

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    He said playing PF is taxing. How in the do you think he's gonna be able guard a legit center? Hibbert is bigger than every PF Bron will ever have to guard. LeHype is strong and can jump out the gym, but you cant teach size. LeHype is no Rodman. He'll get killed down low.

    And you would really trot Mller Bttier and Hslem with Bron and Wade v. them young Pacers? I wish Spo does that. They'd lose the series in 5.

    Small ball doesn't win in the playoffs. Ask HOF bound Steve Nash.
    Problem is the bigs the Heat use (Haslem, Anthony, Turiaf) are no bigger than LeBron, so you're not losing size when you put that line-up out there. Let's be real, the Heat aren't seriously going to use Pittman or Curry. It will be taxing for LeBron, but you expect him to rise to the challenge. While Hibbert is huge, it's not like he's a brute who really bruises and uses his size the way a Shaq would. And it's not only about the defensive changes it makes but what it forces the Pacers to do when they defend the Heat at the other end.

    The Heat don't have a bunch of young athletes to throw out there with LeBron and Wade, so what Miller and Battier provide is flexibility and versatility. And if they can ever start hitting shots, they stretch the Pacer defense. Who is Hibbert guarding of those five guys? And they need Haslem or Turiaf or Anthony as the fifth to put on David West. I chose Haslem because I think he's a smarter defender than the other two.

    The Heat are already playing weak with a traditional line-up with Anthony and Turiaf manning the pivot. With Bosh getting injured, it changed the dynamics of the series and the options the Heat have to counter the size of the Pacers. Strategically, they have to do something different to give them an advantage to counter the size. The Pacers have out-rebounded the Heat by 26 boards the last two games. So playing a traditional line-up isn't really working anyway. And it's not something I suggest the Heat do the rest of the playoffs. Only for this series, especially considering the Bosh injury.

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    Problem is the bigs the Heat use (Haslem, Anthony, Turiaf) are no bigger than LeBron, so you're not losing size when you put that line-up out there. Let's be real, the Heat aren't seriously going to use Pittman or Curry. It will be taxing for LeBron, but you expect him to rise to the challenge. While Hibbert is huge, it's not like he's a brute who really bruises and uses his size the way a Shaq would. And it's not only about the defensive changes it makes but what it forces the Pacers to do when they defend the Heat at the other end.

    The Heat don't have a bunch of young athletes to throw out there with LeBron and Wade, so what Miller and Battier provide is flexibility and versatility. And if they can ever start hitting shots, they stretch the Pacer defense. Who is Hibbert guarding of those five guys? And they need Haslem or Turiaf or Anthony as the fifth to put on David West. I chose Haslem because I think he's a smarter defender than the other two.

    The Heat are already playing weak with a traditional line-up with Anthony and Turiaf manning the pivot. With Bosh getting injured, it changed the dynamics of the series and the options the Heat have to counter the size of the Pacers. Strategically, they have to do something different to give them an advantage to counter the size. The Pacers have out-rebounded the Heat by 26 boards the last two games. So playing a traditional line-up isn't really working anyway. And it's not something I suggest the Heat do the rest of the playoffs. Only for this series, especially considering the Bosh injury.
    Quoted for future reference. Your a really good poster Jam, but you're reaching here. The flexibility you speak of is negated by them being TOSBs with a clearly definable skillet: Miller's a no defense playing gunner; Haslem is inferior to West - so the things he does won't matter; Battier is a 3 point chucker who can take an occasional charge. In their primes, I'd agree with you. At this stage of their respective careers - on the road? I just don't see it the way you do.

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    I put LeBron on Hibbert and field a starting unit of LeBron-Wade-Miller-Battier-Haslem getting the big minutes. LeBron's job, front Hibbert on the post, and gain defensive rebounding position when he's defending him on the weakside. LeBron is strong and quick enough to do both of those things.

    Then the Pacers have to figure out who Hibbert guards at the other end. And the Heat run the Pacers into the ground. It's not an optimum solution for LeBron to expend so much energy defensively. But with the way the Heat bigs have not come to play so far this series, it's a bold move to force the issue with the Pacers.
    Not a bad strategy to experiment, tbh..

    Hibbert has ty post moves and he's slow as ..I doubt Indiana can adjust to aggressive fronting and swarming..I doubt it happens, though..
    What's the difference for the line-ups he's been using? He had one with LBJ at the five - Chalmers, Wade, Miller, Battier, LBJ. Not really much different from the line-up that started the game or that started the 2nd half actually. Basically Haslem for Pittman/Turiaf and Miller for Chalmers. I fail to see what would Miami gain from those changes.

    The problem is that Vogel moved Hibbert to the high post. Hibbert is an excellent from there and they can't double him so far away from the lines, he'll simply find the open man. Plus, Battier cant' defend West in the low post. Too weak, too small. Hibbert placed higher opens a space

    With that line-up, Hibbert would "defend " Haslem. Great matchup for Indy. Haslem isn't good enough anymore to punish Hibbert. They'll livewith Haslem shooting 15 fters all day. Haslem's FG% in 10-15 fters this season - 26%.

    The Pacers would have an ever larger advantage on the boards and it'd be phisically taxing for LeBron to defend Hibbert + Wade to defend George Hill.

    Honestly, you guys are even worse tacticians than Spoelstra. That's quite an achievement.

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    An excellent passer from the high post, Hibbert. Swarming him was obviously Spoelstra's idea, but Indiana was ready for that.

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    Not quite sure why you bumped this. If Bosh wasn't healthy, you guys would be fishing today.

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    The bump wasn't regarding the OP, it was regarding the posts downplaying Bosh's impact..

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    The bump wasn't regarding the OP, it was regarding the posts downplaying Bosh's impact..
    Ah, mea culpa. Bosh did lots of work for you, as I figured he would. I didn't think it would be 3 pointers, though...

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    Bosh best stretch 4 in the playoffs tbh

    with his jumpers Ibaka won't get as many blocks

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