Does any one think that as good as the Spurs have been, they still havent tasted the full effect of what Ginobili can do? Does anyone think we'll get to see some of that?
Yeah, right now the only time he seems to get the ball on his hands is when Parker is resting and even then he shares it a lot with Neal, then he's just stands there like in his rookie season.
I don't know if this trend will change somewhere down the road but as long as we keep winning I say don't change a thing. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
I hope so but at this point I think this is the Manu we're getting. I hate those chuck up 3's he's been relying on and he hasn't been playing great off the bench and stepping up like we know he's capable of especially when Tony and Tim sit. I don't know if he has a mindset of just trying to not get hurt in the playoffs and so he's taking the backseat to everybody else. Also I've noticed that before tonight all of his minutes have been going down and staying closer to the 20 minute mark. The starters have been amazing at getting a great lead so I'm wondering if by the time he gets into the game we're already ahead by a lot so he feels like there's no reason to really play all out and give it everything he's got. Fortunately we have so much talent we really don't need him to be a huge factor for us as long as he doesn't turn the ball over a million times and start chucking up shots.
Last edited by TMTTRIO; 05-19-2012 at 07:55 PM.
Manu doesn't have to shot to help the team, he is the intangibles king
There's nothing to fix, Manu simply needs to play better because he's not playing well, at all. He is still madly in love with the early 3 ball and it drives me nuts. His game has become so predictable, he either drives or chucks a three, but mainly chucks threes. He rarely gets midrange jumpers anymore, and he's not even finishing at the rim very well.
I'm fine with it for now because they don't need him to be supermanu to beat the Clippers but he has to get into a better groove soon enough or it will be tough beating the Thunder. I'm decently concerned because he's been back into the rotation for a while now and it's taking him way too long to start playing solid Manu ball.
Lately he's the bad pass and 3-point chucking with 16+ seconds left on the clock king. He along with the 2nd rotation keep ing up the games in this series.
Guys, don't forget that most of the time Ginobili "chucks up a three with 16 seconds left on the shot clock", he's creating a 2 for 1 for the Spurs at the end of a quarter.
I'd rather get two average shots up than one good one.
Not really, he does do that, but IDK if it's most of the time. He has been doing it during the middle of quarters and he's lucky one went in a few games back.
coasting, tbh...
Get back to me if he goes MIA when/if we really need him. He's just chilling out there.
He's old.
If you gave him 25 shots a la Kobe, He could probably hit 8 or 9 of them (like Kobe) even on a bad night for his 20 points (with free throws), but he's not going to do that.
He was 4-9 from the field today and only took three 3 pointers (made 1 of them). I don't see how that cons utes him being "madly in love with the 3."
He missed like 2 point blank layups this game also, so that easily could've been 6-9 for 17 points, and nobody would've complained.
intangibles baby
He is old, and jestersmash, those layups have been typical, not just this game. He's missing many layups he usually converts, like he used to when he was younger. I hope he is just coasting and not exerting himself too much but a lot of this that I'm ing about is on the mental side.
I just hope he shows up next series.
exactly
BTW, 13 pts on 9 shots, 6 assts, 4 rbds and 1 blk in 30 mins is pretty damn good.
I think part of the problem with the layups is that he really doesn't get an opportunity to get into any sort of rhythm during the course of a game.
He's clearly been pushed behind Tony as the 2nd option (sometimes 3rd option if Duncan is playing well) and his touches have progressively gone down over the course of the season.
He takes about 5 shots within the 3 point line per game these days, down from around 7-8 in recent years -
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ginobma01.html
But you know, given how streaky we know Manu can be with the 3 ball, maybe it's a good thing that he's on a poor shooting streak while we're still winning. I wouldn't put it past Manu to get hot at the right time during a tough WCF series with OKC/LA.
I wish just one time you actually looked up some numbers instead of trusting your eyes and your biased memories. Manu shot like 52% this regular season, and over 60% from two pointers. His previous career high was 47%, in 2005.
True, he didn't shoot very often this year, but overall he had a pretty phenomenal season as far his percentage when going to the basket.
Manu has not been himself and it has worried me a bit...but I have faith that he will come around and take over a few games. It's in his nature.
I like how this thread took all of one post to get to the "Parker doesn't pass to Ginobili" territory
I just think he can play a lot better, and I know this is nothing knew with the large amount of threes but relying on the 3-ball worries me sometimes. As a team the Spurs are shooting it a lot and luckily they have been shooting it extremely well lately. They're knocking them down, normally. I think it was the 2nd half of game 2 where the main difference between the Spurs and Clippers in points was Green's 3 3-pointers falling in. It's tough to sustain such high 3-pointing shooting for many games so I am impressed, but if it dries up it takes away a significant part of the Spurs offense.
You would think a stronger team like Oklahoma City will not give up leads as easily.
I don't think it is because of Tony, I think it is for design.I like how this thread took all of one post to get to the "Parker doesn't pass to Ginobili" territory
Manu was pretty damn terrible in the 1st today and was a huge reason why the Clippers got out to a huge start. Its gotten to the point to where I'm legitimately worried about him.
Manu hasn't been all that great the entire year. I don't know why people are expecting much more from what you are seeing now.
He made some very bad decisions throughout the game. I kept going back and forth on whether I wanted Neal or Ginobili to come back in the game. They both played pretty sub-par today.
It really concerns me that Manu's game hasnt been anywhere as good as it was last year. He was our leader and best player last season, and was hitting game winners and such. I think we might actually be seeing age starting to take its toll on Manu
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