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Fuk yo "faker well-wishes" clown.
Thank u Kidd k for backing me up. Like I said, spurs are the better team and only way they lose is shady officiating.
Fuk yo "faker well-wishes" clown.
We'll see soon enough about the officiating. I don't think it will be that bad. Any huge edge that OKC might have will be blunted somewhat due to the incredible run the spurs have put together this year, Pop COY, nabbing the #1 seed, & all the respects and accolades that come with all that.
I will say it's a good damn thing the spurs did nab that #1 seed however. If OKC gets #1 they are the darlings that all the media is talking about for the past month. They'd never admit it, but I think the refs are influenced by whoever the media is backing and/or sucking off.
Spurs might get lucky and have 42 FTAs in a game.
Joey Crawford knew he couldn't do anything to the Spurs when they were up 3-0. Hopefully the Spurs keep it that way.
Lol faker fan complaining about officiating! How hypocritical of you.
I don't think the officiating will be much of an issue in Round 3 and I think good teams overcome bad officiating if necessary.
But if it will help the conversation here at all, I'll list out who I think will be working from here on.
I think we know who 5 of the 6 crew chiefs for the conference finals will be:
1. Dan Crawford
2. Joe Crawford
3. Scott Foster
4. Monty McCutchen
5. Derrick Stafford
The 6th will either be Greg Willard or Ken Mauer
If form holds, there will be another 13-14 officials who will work in Round 3 (for a total of 20 or 21; in 2011 there were 21 officials working the conference finals; in 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007 there were 20).
I think those 13-14 will be:
1. Mike Callahan
2. Bill Kennedy
3. Ed Malloy
Each of those guys worked the 2011 Finals and have worked multiple games in the Second Round in 2012 (Malloy has worked 3 games in round 2; Callahan and Kennedy have each worked 2 games) so I think the odds are substantial that they're working through the conference finals this year.
4. Marc Davis
I separate out Davis here because while he was a Finals official in 2011 and has worked multiple round 3 games in 2009-2011, he had a very shaky round 1 (the Rondo ejection and the Reggie Evans technical foul for a high five), has worked only 1 game in Round 2 and that was last weekend in Game 3 of Lakers/Thunder. Davis may have worked his way out of the playoffs with his performance to date -- we'll see.
5. Bill Spooner
6. Jason Phillips
These guys seem to be locks to work Round 3. Both were alternates during the 2011 Finals. Phillips worked multiple games in the 2011 conference finals. Spooner has worked the conference finals every year since 2009. Spooner was scheduled to work Game 6 of OKC/LAL had it happened (along with Monty McCutchen and Mike Callahan).
7. Tony Brothers
8. Ron Garretson
9. Tom Washington
10. James Capers
As of today, each of these guys has worked 3 games in the conference semifinals (historically, only officials who are going to ultimately work the Finals get to 4 games in this round -- I can find a couple of exceptions, but even those officials ended up working the conference finals). Garretson seems to be a mortal lock; he's worked the conference finals in every year since 1992 (other than 2010, when he was injured). Washington has worked the conference finals every year since 2002. Brothers has worked the conference finals in 2008, 2009, and 2011. Capers was a crew chief for most of the regular season and has worked the conference finals in 2009 and 2010 (he didn't work any playoff games last year; I believe he was injured).
I think it's pretty fair to assume that those officials, in various combinations, will be assigned to Games 4, 5, 6, and 7 in the conference finals. I think the Finals officials will be 12 of those 17.
From there, it's a guessing game as to who will get a chance to appear in Games 1, 2, or 3. There should be some new blood in this group for 2012, if only because Bob Delaney, Steve Javie, and Bennett Salvatore aren't working any more. So, we need 2-3 new officials promoted into the conference finals group.
I've listed 17 officials above; 16 of them worked the conference finals in 2011. Accounting for the 3 retired officials, that leaves two more who worked last year who I haven't named:
11. Michael Smith
12. Zach Zarba
I tend to think that both will work early games in Round 3. Last year, each worked a Game 1 of the conference seminfinals (Smith had Game 1 of DAL/LAL; Zarba had Game 1 of OKC/MEM) and then each worked a Game 1 of the conference finals (Smith had Game 1 of CHI/MIA; Zarba had Game 1 of DAL/OKC). it's iffy, but I'd tend to think they'll get a game.
I also tend to think that the remaining official(s) will come from a group consisting of:
John Goble
Sean Wright
Derrick Collins
Leon Wood
Rodney Mott
Of those, Goble seems most likely, since he has been making his way up the ranks pretty quickly. He worked his first playoff games in 2010, but got multiple Round 2 games in both 2011 and 2012. That suggests to me that the league thinks he's the strongest in this group.
No less an authority than Charles Barkley predicted that the OKC vs. Spurs will be decided by the 'ticky-tacky' fouls that take a player like Parker or Westbrook out of the game.
Why are fouls and officiating even brought up in the context of playoff outcomes?
We know that at least one NBA ref fixed games with calls that helped his gambling. We know that some NBA refs have grudges against certain players. We know that the reason the league changed the playoff compensation plan for the refs to a 'flat fee' from a per game amount was to end the appearance that the refs were controlling the outcome of games to get more pay. Most people agree that in the early years of the NBA/ABA merger the NBA refs stuck it to the ABA teams, especially in the playoffs.
There has long been a perception that the league office let the refs know (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) that it would be best for the business side of the NBA for major TV markets and teams with 'star-power' to win the conference playoff series.
It can be argued that all of these things happened in the 'bad old days' when the NBA was still considered a minor league sport whose championship playoff games were shown on tape-delay as late as 1980. Yes, tape-delay because the afternoon sports like tennis and golf were more popular and drew bigger audiences.
I've been around to see all of the above, so forgive me if I wonder if the best business outlook for the NBA might be the emergence of a new young set of superstars in the finals rather than the Last Stand of the Spurs--and if those considerations might affect the foul calls.
We are one of the best teams in the league at avoiding fouls and Tos for the season. OKC not so good. If the Spurs wind up on the short end of these stats it will be very shaky in my mind.
just wanted to bring an old thread back and hear what excuse you guys might have cuz it certainly wasn't the officiating, right? ;-)
Point to Venti Quattro I believe...
Venti with the prophetic goods.
Yes, and it would be ironic if OKC -- the beneficiary of many bull calls vs. the Spurs -- suffered the same fate in the NBA Finals, ala Dallas Mavericks 2006 against the Heat. Then OKC fans will scream about the bad officiating and cry that it's not fair and that it cost them the championship ... and Spurs fans will say "Welcome to our nightmare, ."
Prediction of the year.
Some of the calls annoyed me in game 6 as well but that is not why they lost. Spurs in game 6 were in the same position they were in games 4 and 5 scrambling to make a comeback in the 4th qtr. This time they blew a big lead which made it worse. Everyone had to know OKC was going to come back last night i was just hoping the 15 pt lead would be around 7 or 8 by end of the 3rd, instead it was 1 with Durant red hot and OKC with all the momentum. OKC just was too young and had too much firepower.. Manu, Tim and yes even Tony can't play huge minutes anymore and maintain their A games. Tony should be able to at just 30 but he didn't show it last night..
Talk about hitting the nail on the donkey
The Lakers are supposed to be the darlings of the NBA if anything the league would fix it so Kobe and his band of clowns were playing Miami.. The dream match up for the NBA is hardly OKC/Boston..
contrary to popular belief, the lakers have never really been darlings of the NBA. and if you bring up game 6 of the 2002 sac series, i will argue with you call for call and prove you wrong. but this is a spurs talk forum, let's keep this about the spurs ;-)
Last edited by ruxpin810; 06-07-2012 at 01:16 PM.
We lst because
And an OKC fan could argue call for call last night.. So whatever..
i didn't see enough of last nite's game so i don't really know if officiating was fairly even. i guarantee it was horrible, since officiating is always horrible in the nba, but it can even out.
ventrodamus
can't give up big leads tho
Ventti Quattro deserves a spur TBH
What's a laker fan doing ing about refs and one-sided calls?
kings fan still bitter about 2002 playoffs? you should watch game 6 again and come back here and i can argue calls with you and prove to you that there was nothing shady about that game ;-)
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