The new topic on the Fox radio shows(Loose Cannons and Dan Patrick) the last couple of days(including their poll questions) is which player is the best player of his generation, Kobe or Timmy.
I was surprised to see that TD was getting almost equal support here.
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Kobe Bryant 54.61%
Tim Duncan 45.39%
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Most leaned towards Kobe because of the 5 rings vs 4 rings, but they said that if TD gets his 5th this year, he will take over the top spot.
Another argument for TD is that TD is the best player ever at his position all time(PF) and Kobe is only second best at his position (SG) all time.
1. Do you guys think that the 5th ring would move Timmy into the top spot?
2. Do you think TD is already the number one player of his generation?
Tim Duncan for sure though I think he's been a center ever since David Robinson retired. As for the comparison with Kobe, I think KB's success was heavily dependent on Phil Jackson being his coach whereas TD wouldve been succesful with any coach. Maybe not AS successful but successful nontheless.
if he gets another ring, it's Tim for sure
Kobe has had a more glamorous (and controversial) career, and more rings up to this point. Add some more years, throw in one or two rings and some more accolades, and Kobe's career might be better than Jordan's in totality. But Tim's career is a model of consistency and being conducive to any playing style. If you will read Bill Simmons' book, this is clearly illustrated there.
Dan Patrick asked Brent Barry to pick.
Brent said Tim.
duncan has more mvps and finals mvp than kobe already. one more ring and it seals it. don't see how kobe has had the better career.
Kobe's only shot at 6 rings is if the Lakers load up for him one more time with more all stars. And getting 6 will never erase his failures in the finals.. Jordan would have abused Pierce laughing all the way to a finals MVP..
Pretty sure this has been beaten to death, resurrected, ass ed, felched and beaten to death again downstairs for years.
Right now I'd say Tim, but I am a Spurs fan. But if the Spurs win it all this year, it has to be Duncan. 5 for 5 in the Finals, 3 Finals MVPs, 2 MVPs and the best ever at his position argument (although Kobe does play behind Jordan so that's tough).
But Kobe is not even the best Laker (Magic and Kareem say "Hi") around so how can he challenge Jordan anyway.
The real winner for Tim is that the Spurs have the best winning percentage of any team in the 4 major american sports since he arrived. Oh, and he's NEVER missed the playoffs. Ever.
Where's BRHornet to really tell you the truth about Kobe... and tired Timmy?
That's why it's also said that he has never and will never reach Jordan's ceiling...
Kobe's only shot at 6 rings is if the Lakers load up for him one more time with more all stars. And getting 6 will never erase his failures in the finals.. Jordan would have abused Pierce laughing all the way to a finals MVP..
Speaking of finals failures, Magic has won 5 but no one, I mean no one, will ever forget how he choked so bad in 1984.
Well, that and how he gave up in a Game 7 against the Suns or how he gave up against the Celtics in the Finals.
He quit on his team. Jordan would have never quit. That's the biggest difference.
kobe had a 3 year span where he missed the playoffs then got bounced in the first round twice in a row. if duncan wins the 5th there should be zero argument
Kobe's not clutch. He's just a gunner without a conscience.
Lets not go down that street.
Tim is already #1.
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Russell
MJ
...are all laughing at you.
18-19 years without missing, 6 or 7 rings, 10 or so first teams, a couple of years hanging around before retirement... that's not a bad career to have. That's Kareem-like.
But Kareem isn't the GOAT either.
Russell...
Total BS.
We've established a couple of things here:
But Kareem isn't the GOAT either.
1. Kobe has never/will never reach Jordan's ceiling
2. Kareem isn't the GOAT
3. Kobe still has years left in his tank before he parks it, so he still has time to catch up on some categories (longevity, championships, All-Team merits are some)
I hated the pre-expansion era because the way Boston won those les were kind of tilted, but 11 rings is 11 rings. It was hard to do that before, and even more impossible to do that now.
If Wilt wasn't such a stat and a pussy in crunch time, we might have seen a few more les swing hands.
Fair enough. I recognize that I'm no less than 100% biased.
Shaq from what "generation" is? Everybody at their primes, he's clearly the better player of the three, imho.
Regular season MVP, Finals MVP and ring all in the same season. That's the sign of true greatness. Shaq and Duncan have that, Kobe doesn't.
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