Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts

[clambake]

so, he would have had to been stealthy at least twice?

[elbamba]

not you or a single one of the lawyers you talked to knew about the money?

hmmmm

No because this was a couple of weeks ago when the story was hot. I had no clue about the 150,000 or 204,000 as you alleged until I read your post today. News to me. That is why I decided to pull my arguments on it, I don't know much about it. That is also why I asked you about 5 times to tell me what you were talking about at the beginning and middle of this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously?

Zimmerman has been vilified as everything but a child of God going on 2 months now.

So has Martin, you did it.

[elbamba]

so, he would have had to been stealthy at least twice?

Stealthy was used in Chumps definition. The legal definition, which is all I really care about, does not call for stealth.

[elbamba]

Correction, Florida's legal definition.

[Heath Ledger]

you didn't have a big sword purchase?

aCTUALLY I DID BUT IT WAS FROM DUBAI AND HIS NAME WAS MUHAMMAD

[clambake]

No because this was a couple of weeks ago when the story was hot. I had no clue about the 150,000 or 204,000 as you alleged until I read your post today. News to me. That is why I decided to pull my arguments on it, I don't know much about it. That is also why I asked you about 5 times to tell me what you were talking about at the beginning and middle of this thread.

i apologize. i just don't think you're very interested in knowing the real george zimmerman.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My opinion is based entirely on what I have been able to find in the news. I paid a lot of attention when this story first broke because I was annoyed that the media made this into a white vs. black case. I have read probably 50 articles on this and have talked to a few lawyers I know who are in the community but who ultimately did not have much to add outside of what I could find online.

Based on the pictures and the witness statement of I believe a 16 year kid who said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, I reached my conclusion. There is certainly loads of evidence that I have not seen, however, if we are trying the case online, I think I win.

The witnesses sworn testimony that you refer to are all witnesses changing their testimony and admitting they did so for various reasons that I believe will ultimately exclude them from being admissible (i.e. witness changing his testimony after watching tv).

You can roll your eyes all you want and tell me why I am wrong. I have thick skin. But this is a message board so I will post the message that I think some people might find interesting.

The OP is about how witnesses are changing their testimonies. There have been all manner of obfuscations, misquotes, conflicting information and just straight up bull from the very beginning. But you want to try the case on a message board on the basis of the witness account you like and newscasts.

Our legal system is certainly flawed but its probably the best in the world when it comes to sorting all of that out. I find it irresponsible to take that action yourself without any of the evidence without having interviewed any of the witnesses, without reading reports from the various police officers, medical examiners, and forensics experts or speaking with them; all to confirm your bias. Make no mistake what you are doing here is confirming your bias.

So yes I will roll my eyes everytime while I wait to hear what the state of Florida and Zimmerman's cases actually are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No because this was a couple of weeks ago when the story was hot. I had no clue about the 150,000 or 204,000 as you alleged until I read your post today. News to me. That is why I decided to pull my arguments on it, I don't know much about it. That is also why I asked you about 5 times to tell me what you were talking about at the beginning and middle of this thread.

You didn't pay attention to the magistrates hearing and you think oyu are in a position to make a case on behalf of Zimmerman? You know how you would argue it? gmfb

Reasonable doubt is what it is but I am not going to fill in the gaps to try and ensure it.

[elbamba]

i apologize. i just don't think you're very interested in knowing the real george zimmerman.

You are partially right. I care about his past about as much as I care that Martin had weed in his system. That is not at all. I feel bad that he was killed, don't get me wrong on that, I think that Zimmerman's actions that night were out of line and wrong. He should have stayed in the car.

Change the rolls and have Martin be the shooter of Zimmerman with identical facts and I would be supporting Martin under Florida Law. I think that Zimmerman walks because of Florida law. I could be wrong in the end, but I would not bet against it.

[Yonivore]

So has Martin, you did it.

I was respondiing to this:

Yes, we all know that negative characterizations are reserved solely for Martin in this case.

And, other than stating that I believe Zimmerman's version of events is supported by the known evidence, how have I vilified Martin?

[elbamba]

The OP is about how witnesses are changing their testimonies. There have been all manner of obfuscations, misquotes, conflicting information and just straight up bull from the very beginning. But you want to try the case on a message board on the basis of the witness account you like and newscasts.

Our legal system is certainly flawed but its probably the best in the world when it comes to sorting all of that out. I find it irresponsible to take that action yourself without any of the evidence without having interviewed any of the witnesses, without reading reports from the various police officers, medical examiners, and forensics experts or speaking with them all to confirm your bias. Make no mistake what you are doing here is confirming your bias.

So yes I will roll my eyes everytime while I wait to hear what the state of Florida and Zimmerman's cases actually are.

Good. I am sure that I could go to the original Skittles thread and find you jumping to conclusions without evidence. The difference is that when I jump to conclusions, supported by evidence or not, I have a degree of expertise in the subject. I might not be Jackie Chiles (sp), but I know something about criminal defense.

I think your bigger problem is that I am drawing a conclusion that you disagree with and you hate thinking that I might be right and these witnesses might just get torn apart by a quality defense attorney.

[Yonivore]

You are partially right. I care about his past about as much as I care that Martin had weed in his system. That is not at all. I feel bad that he was killed, don't get me wrong on that, I think that Zimmerman's actions that night were out of line and wrong. He should have stayed in the car.

Change the rolls and have Martin be the shooter of Zimmerman with identical facts and I would be supporting Martin under Florida Law. I think that Zimmerman walks because of Florida law. I could be wrong in the end, but I would not bet against it.

Why do you stay in your car?

That small gated community has been suffering a rash of property crimes and burglaries.

The Neighborhood Association had identified George Zimmerman as the person to whom su ious activity should be reported.

Zimmerman observed a su ious person walking through the neighborhood, in the rain, appearing (to him) to be under the influence of something, and looking at houses -- in a neighborhood that had been experiencing a spate of property crimes and burglaries.

Zimmerman called 911 and nothing in the call indicates Zimmerman's intent was to do any more than keep the su ious person in sight until police arrived.

[clambake]

Change the rolls and have Martin be the shooter of Zimmerman with identical facts and I would be supporting Martin under Florida Law.

i wouldn't.

[elbamba]

You didn't pay attention to the magistrates hearing and you think oyu are in a position to make a case on behalf of Zimmerman? You know how you would argue it? gmfb

Reasonable doubt is what it is but I am not going to fill in the gaps to try and ensure it.

I did pay attention to the bail hearing that was a few weeks ago. I was unfamiliar with the 200,000 account. I thought I was fairly clear about this.

[ChumpDumper]

I was respondiing to this:

It's called sarcasm.

I know, you're fine about Martin's being trashed.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you stay in your car?

Why get out of your car?

[elbamba]

Why do you stay in your car?

That small gated community has been suffering a rash of property crimes and burglaries.

The Neighborhood Association had identified George Zimmerman as the person to whom su ious activity should be reported.

Zimmerman observed a su ious person walking through the neighborhood, in the rain, appearing (to him) to be under the influence of something, and looking at houses -- in a neighborhood that had been experiencing a spate of property crimes and burglaries.

Zimmerman called 911 and nothing in the call indicates Zimmerman's intent was to do any more than keep the su ious person in sight until police arrived.

Because I have a wife and kids and a lot to lose by getting out of my car. I call the police and let them handle it. I might follow in my car, but I sure as am not getting out unless it is to protect someone.

[elbamba]

Do you think Zimmerman wishes right now he had stayed in his car Yoni?

I would put a million dollars on it that he does.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I have a wife and kids and a lot to lose by getting out of my car. I call the police and let them handle it. I might follow in my car, but I sure as am not getting out unless it is to protect someone.

Those Skittles were going to be eaten by that madman!

[elbamba]

i wouldn't.

Nothing wrong with that.

[TheSkeptic]

The OP is about how witnesses are changing their testimonies. There have been all manner of obfuscations, misquotes, conflicting information and just straight up bull from the very beginning. But you want to try the case on a message board on the basis of the witness account you like and newscasts.

Our legal system is certainly flawed but its probably the best in the world when it comes to sorting all of that out. I find it irresponsible to take that action yourself without any of the evidence without having interviewed any of the witnesses, without reading reports from the various police officers, medical examiners, and forensics experts or speaking with them; all to confirm your bias. Make no mistake what you are doing here is confirming your bias.

So yes I will roll my eyes everytime while I wait to hear what the state of Florida and Zimmerman's cases actually are.

As fun as the speculation has been and even though I'm on the side of the victim, I agree with this. I really am interested in hearing what the cases are because so far I'm not 100% on board with Murder 2.

Though after seeing Corey's work in that other case with the woman and the warning shot, I'm thinking there's something there that has led her to the conclusion that this was the appropriate charge. I'd like to see what that is. And while we know that Zimmerman's going to claim self-defense I'll be interested to see if O'Mara argues the law or the evidence because that'll also tell us something about the facts of this case as well.

[clambake]

Nothing wrong with that.

yoni would be all over martin if the roles were reversed.

[MannyIsGod]

Why do you stay in your car?

That small gated community has been suffering a rash of property crimes and burglaries.

The Neighborhood Association had identified George Zimmerman as the person to whom su ious activity should be reported.

Zimmerman observed a su ious person walking through the neighborhood, in the rain, appearing (to him) to be under the influence of something, and looking at houses -- in a neighborhood that had been experiencing a spate of property crimes and burglaries.

Zimmerman called 911 and nothing in the call indicates Zimmerman's intent was to do any more than keep the su ious person in sight until police arrived.

Because when you don't stay in your car bad things happen and you have no real authority.

I can't believe you would ask why would you stay in the car at this point. You've obviously learned nothing from this case.

[Yonivore]

Do you think Zimmerman wishes right now he had stayed in his car Yoni?

Absolutely. Knowing what he does now, I would agree, he would have never left the car. That doesn't mean he didn't have cause to follow Martin. It just means he didn't know what was going to happen if he did.

Not many people who have had to use deadly force wouldn't wish the cir stances that arose to require it hadn't happened.

I would put a million dollars on it that he does.

Me too.