Is kobe a top 15 player of all time?

[Stalin]

why is that such a crime? yeah, its obvious he is obsessed with MJ, but you could say that most any player "rips" past players games. You could say Duncan rips McHale and Hakeem's games, as he used a lot of the same moves they used. Or that Magic ripped Jerry West, Pistol Pete, and Oscar with his fancy play and versatility.

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[DAF86]

How many top 10/15 players of all-time missed the playoffs at their absolute prime? I can't think of one other than you know.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe is a top 10 player of all-time, but he has the most flawed resume of the bunch, tbh..

Jordan, Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Olajuwon, O'Neal, Russell, Chamberlain and Duncan(9 of my top 10) have all achieved the Regular Season MVP + Finals MVP in the same season..Kobe is the only player of the bunch that hasn't achieved this feat, which is the pinnacle of basketball IMO..

[DAF86]

And no matter how much of a stat Wilt was, his numbers are just ridiculous, you can't ignore them. Nobody dominated individually the way he did.

[DPG21920]

as much as I love Dirk and Lebron, no way in they belong 1 and 2 spots behind Kobe.

I wasn't ranking in any order, just my group from that list.

[Venti Quattro]

How many top 10/15 players of all-time missed the playoffs at their absolute prime? I can't think of one other than you know.

Hakeem at age 29.

And no matter how much of a stat Wilt was, his numbers are just ridiculous, you can't ignore them. Nobody dominated individually the way he did.

Not only was he a stat , he feared the crunch time. Haven't you been back-reading?

[DAF86]

I haven't seen most of them play but statistically/resume wise all this players could have a case over Kobe.

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Kareem
Larry
Russell
Wilt
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Oscar
Moses

[namlook]

Troll thread.

More realistically this thread should be about Duncan.

[DAF86]

Hakeem at age 29.


Not only was he a stat , he feared the crunch time. Haven't you been back-reading?

I don't care, he won all that he had to win and he posted 50ppg and triple-double seasons.

[Venti Quattro]

ohhhhhh I'm debating with Manu>Dirk

[DPG21920]

Troll thread.

More realistically this thread should be about Duncan.

lol

[BanditHiro]

He is top 20...i am not sure why laker fans find that offensive.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wilt is still in my top 5, despite Simmons's biased book..I read it when it was released, my opinion of Chamberlain hasn't changed..

I understand knocking him for his flaws and his selfishness, as well as his weak compe ion, but he had historical numbers that we'll never see again, he won les, and he competed with Russell's teams that were much more stacked than Wilt's..

[DPG21920]

What do you think of Russell, HH

[HarlemHeat37]

Also, as I've been saying for years, Kobe's legacy will take a hit in the upcoming years, as his mentality won't change, despite his declining physical talent, tbh..these past 2 years have been the start..

[DPG21920]

Also, as I've been saying for years, Kobe's legacy will take a hit in the upcoming years, as his mentality won't change, despite his declining physical talent, tbh..these past 2 years have been the start..

Which is exactly my point. He was arguably top 9 or 10, but the last two years he gets penalized, which drops him to 12-15.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't knock Russell as much as most of today's fans, I still have him in my top 10, but I'd have him below Wilt, Shaq, Duncan, Jabbar and Olajuwon..

He's probably the most difficult player to rank, tbh..

[Venti Quattro]

Which is exactly my point. He was arguably top 9 or 10, but the last two years he gets penalized, which drops him to 12-15.

You're just mad that you lost a bet to DD.

[DPG21920]

You're just mad that you lost a bet to DD.

I won two others against him. His was a bet he won in order not to pay me

[LiamNeeson'shero]

My rankings would be:

1. Michael
2. Magic
3. Larry
4. Kareem
5. Hakeem
6. Russell
7. Tim
8. Kobe
9. Shaq
10. Logo

Wilt was a stat guy, but damn his stats are the most overrated in the history of basketball.

just flip russell and kareem and that is the perfect list

[HarlemHeat37]

Also, Hakeem has a very flawed resume for a player with his hype, tbh..

[OKC Thunderstorm]

The player I hate to not have in the top 10 is Isiah. Yeah, his stats may not look mind-blowing, but damn he was a monster player.

I agree on Isiah. He seems to get lost in the shuffle when people mention greats fom the 80's and early 90's. He was probably 3rd best to Bird and Magic in the mid 80's until MJ developed further. And for a few years in the early 90's he may have been only second to MJ. No way is Stockton or Kidd better PG's than Isiah in my book. Oh and though a very good passer Isiah was a scorer first. the same people kill Westbrook, Parker (used to) and Rose for.

[dunkman]

Kobe has RS stats and awards, except multiple MVP's, but what makes him a very dubious top 10 choice is that he's not a great playoffs or finals performer - except when he faced a team with sub-par wing defense, like the '01 Spurs or the '09 Magic.

[OKC Thunderstorm]

Kobe has RS stats and awards, except multiple MVP's, but what makes him a very dubious top 10 choice is that he's not a great playoffs or finals performer - except when he faced a team with sub-par wing defense, like the '01 Spurs or the '09 Magic.

Kobe's Finals performance has been up and down but to say those are his only 2 good Playoff performances is pretty dumb. Durant will be better than Kobe before long but the hate you guys have here for Kobe is pretty dumb. You guys are pretty insecure around here.
Durant is going to surpass many on that list when it's all said and done. he will have his 4th straight scoring le by this time next year.

[ElNono]