Olajuwon
What's pretty dumb is using strawman arguments, tbh.Kobe's Finals performance has been up and down but to say those are his only 2 good Playoff performances is pretty dumb. Durant will be better than Kobe before long but the hate you guys have here for Kobe is pretty dumb. You guys are pretty insecure around here.
Durant is going to surpass many on that list when it's all said and done. he will have his 4th straight scoring le by this time next year.
I'd put him between 9-15,imo.
20-25, which is still good
I cant help but find it a little ironic that most of the people knocking Wilt for being a stat- , me first guy are the same ones that are propping Kobe, the same guy who plays garbage minutes of losses to pad his stats. Kobe's biggest argument for being top 10 is his scoring, but when you factor in his percentages and the fact he only has two scoring les (durant 3, iverson 4)...
I can't fathom how anyone could rank kobe ahead of shaq. Its not a ranking of who has a better work ethic or is more serious. The only thing Kobe has that shaq doesn't is an 81 point game and one more ring; considering that shaq gifted him AT LEAST 1 ring, then all you have is the 81 point game. Despite coasting and not taking care of himself, Shaq has scored more points both RS and PO, in both cases with a better %, more boards, more blocks; all kobe has on him are assists and steals.
Not to mention, Shaq was the franchise player of his team for a longer period of time and is the more iconic player. To me Kobe is at best 10th, and more likely in the 13-16 range; until his career is over you cant say for certain, but IMO duncan and shaq are definitely ahead of him and hakeem, despite not comparing very favorably in terms of stats/accomplishments, is still the more iconic (dream shake!), higher impact player by virtue of being a big.
Russel and Wilt are in my 10, kobe is not
I'd rank him between 11-13
oh and
There is no way Kobe is as much of a stat as Wilt.
West > Kobe
All riding aside...you won this thread.
Kobe a top 15 player? LMAO
lol sons there are some stupid ass people in this thread
Hakeem's rep is floating him pretty high. He had two amazing playing runs resulting in two les but otherwise he was basically in line with Patrick Ewing. His runs also came with Jordan out so that has to be factored in.
And in what universe does he get ranked ahead of Duncan?
He doesn't.
Duncan has a better resume, but Hakeem was more obviously dominant if you watch the games. Duncan could quietly be the key to dismantling a team and putting them away and you'd barely realize it unless you knew to look for things like footwork and passing out of the double team, but Hakeem was in people's faces being a badass on both ends of the court.
That's not a knock on Hakeem -- he's absolutely a great player too, and he did the right things to win whenever he could, something you can't always say about Shaq, for example, who was another guy who was obviously dominant when you watched games.
But Duncan has carried his team to 4 les so far, and put up the best 15 years of sustained regular-season winning ever. If Winning is what you care about, Duncan was better.
That's a good question man.
All true. Duncan's 15 year reign has been amazing.
I'd have to put Kobe in the top 20. Stat padding aside. He has some serious skills, won 5 championships. He has hurt himself, could have been higher if he wasnt sellfish and was a better teammate. Not to mention missing the playoffs. The great's don't do that. The great's have consistently great runs.
Missed the playoffs in 2005
First round exit in 2006 and 2007
That hurts
top 5
It's tough - I'm between Kobe and Clyde for top 30.
Needed too much help.
Kobe Bryant's ranking compared to the top 25 players of all-time
Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Johnson
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon
MVPs (1) - 11th, tied with O'Neal, Robertson, Olajuwon, Erving, Barkley, Robinson, Cousy
Top 5 Finishes in MVP Voting (10) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Chamberlain
All-NBA Teams (14) - 2nd, tied with O'Neal, Malone
All-Defensive Teams (12) - 2nd, tied with Garnett
All-Star Teams (14) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Garnett, Malone, West
All-NBA First Teams (10) - 2nd, tied with Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar, West, Baylor, Pet , Cousy
Scoring les (2) - 3rd, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal
Points (29,484) - 5th
Playoff Points (5,640) - 3rd
Top 25 players of all-time list by SLAM
Co sign
Moses Malone getting seriously shafted in this discussion. Malone, at his prime, is as good as they come, at least as good as Shaq, Duncan, or even Kareem in their primes.
In no particular ranking, because I have not really put much thought into ranking them:
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Hakeem
Moses Malone
Duncan
Shaq
Then 10-20:
Big O
Bob Pet
Barkley
Logo
Baylor
Cowens
Havlicek
Kobe
Admiral
Dirk
If Lebron would stop choking, he would be top 10-20 easily, possibly in top 10 someday.
Duh...
Ranking "prime" will generate a noticeably different order on these lists, tbh..accomplishments vs. peak is a different argument..
russell 11> everybody else
also, Olajuwon>shaq. He was better in the clutch.
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