How long do you date before you stop using condoms?

[mavs>spurs]

A recent Chinese study also came to this conclusion:

"There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after cir cision, indicating that adult cir cision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings."

http://www.mgmbill.org/kimpangstudy.pdf

Think about it CF..how could removing a piece of tissue that, if unfolded, is the size of an index card and packed full of specialized nerve endings different from those on other areas of the penis NOT affect sexual function? The 5 most touch responsive areas of the penis are removed with cir cision. This is the same tissue that serves to protect the glans and inner foreskin from drying out and keratinizing, resulting in further loss of sensation. You're being a sexist right now and of all people I wouldn't expect ultra liberal you to be an apologist for sexual mutilation. You are so sexist it isn't even funny, nothing I've ever said while trolling on this forum could ever compare. That is so ing unfair and sexist to imply that it's okay to mutilate the penises of baby boys against their will, but NOT baby girls. That is de able.

[mavs>spurs]

More points to consider:

Why are the USA and Israel two of the largest buyers of viagra in the world? Studies have shown no dysfunction in younger men, but in older men this is different. The foreskin has been shown to aid in maintaining an erection in older men who may need that extra "boost."

What about the psychological studies that show decreased self esteem and higher likelihood of engaging in violence towards women and rape in cir cised men?

What about the evidence that it affects maternal bonding and infant trust?

I want an honest, educated and informed answer.

[MavDynasty]

tbh never had a girl complain about cir cised and not want anymore the next time

[mavs>spurs]

more information for anyone who isn't a complete jackass and is interested, this will basically sum it up and tell you anything you need to know. it is written by a doctor.

www.lifepassages.net/foreskin.html

more good stuff

www.cirp.org/news

www.cir cisionharm.org/testimony.htm

http://voices.yahoo.com/cir cision...469.html?cat=5

I highly encourage anyone who is interested in this enough to debate to check these out and take the time to learn more rather than just instantly dismiss what I am trying to say. There is some good information in those links which could provide you with a different perspective, CF i'd be really happy if you'd browse them and then we can debate about this some more in a civil manner.

[mavs>spurs]

tbh never had a girl complain about cir cised and not want anymore the next time

young american girls don't know the difference and have nothing to go by

[MavDynasty]

I never hit up a total so I guess you have a point tbh

I was always told foreskin smelled like and was more prone to disease by my Chinese mother

[CuckingFunt]

Your information is incorrect. You say the clitoris has 8,000 nerves which is more than the penis? FALSE. the foreskin has 20,000 of them, as well as Meissner's corpuscles. removing the foreskin is akin to removing the clitoral hood. This article explains in better words than I can how mutilation has become a double standard.

http://www.dailytargum.com/opinion/c...9bb30f31a.html

Not even the opinion article you linked to says anything about there being over 20,000 nerve endings in the foreskin.

Incidentally, you are correct in making the comparison between a man's foreskin and the clitoral hood. They are essentially the same organ and serve the same function.

However, as I know from having one, the clitoral hood itself is relatively sparse in nerve endings. By design. It is intended to protect the sensitivity of the clitoral glans by dulling the sensation of every day, normal movement. To my knowledge, this is also the function of a man's foreskin. The common complaint about cir cision is not that the procedure removes a particularly sensitive organ, but that the shaft/head of the penis are themselves made less sensitive due to its removal.

For the sake of my own information, however, I went ahead and did some googling to get the skinny on your 20,000 nerve endings. Pretty amusing results, really. All that comes up are a number of anti-cir cision websites and articles claiming the foreskin is home to a huge nerve cluster, but providing not a single source for this information, as well as several people on message boards asking for the origin of this particular statistic. Near as I can tell, it's been made up out of thin air by the people whose shtick you've adopted.

Having sex with a cir cised man is uncomfortable for a woman in many cases. women who have experienced both almost exclusively prefer intact men and often complain of discomfort when having sex with a cir cised male. this discomfort (often pain) quickly trains her to avoid sex. She make excuses, like "I have a headache," "I'm too stressed-out about housework," or more honestly "I have a bladder infection/cys is," or "I feel chafed," or "I feel bruised from last time."

If you are cir cised, you have been sexually mutilated. You are unable to have sex with a woman in anything close to a normal way. "Lovemaking techniques" and "communication" are tiny band-aids over the gaping wound that is your relationship. Your cir cision is the giant, bloody, severed ox head on the table, rotting and filled with maggots, that everyone, including your parents, ignores, while politely sipping tails and pretending everything is normal. You must face the fact that you were sexually mutilated by establishment rapists in white coats, and go through a grieving process.

Dude's got serious issues.

[Goran Dragic]

If I had kids ( having kids) I probably wouldn't get them cir cised, even though I'm Jewish, as I think it's a primitive procedure and does compromise sexual pleasure. There is truth to the notion that Jews originally practiced cir cision to reduce temptations so men could worry about other . The result of that is a few million of us controlling the international banking industry

That being said, I'm cir cised and it's not exactly a procedure I can have reversed unless the medical community gets hit with more money for stem cell research than it knows what to do with, so I don't see any reason to lose sleep over it.

[leemajors]

[leemajors]

lol at the timing of those posts

[CuckingFunt]

You're being a sexist right now and of all people I wouldn't expect ultra liberal you to be an apologist for sexual mutilation. You are so sexist it isn't even funny, nothing I've ever said while trolling on this forum could ever compare. That is so ing unfair and sexist to imply that it's okay to mutilate the penises of baby boys against their will, but NOT baby girls. That is de able.

You're right. If I had ever said anything that even hinted at the above sentiment, it would have been pretty ish of me.

[cantthinkofanything]

A recent Chinese study

I stopped reading at that point.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Condoms make it much less enjoyable, I would go crazy if I had to use those things.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Lol m<s gets more animated over cir cision its cbf levels

Someone is uncomfortable with their mutilated penis I saaaaaiid

[mavs>spurs]

So basically anyone or anything that is anti general mutilation is wrong, but your pro mutilation sources are right. Wow. The foreskin isnt sensitive huh? You're so open minded that you refuse to even check out the links in the above post and then maybe continue to investigate from there. U know if you'd actually hear the other perspective and still disagreed, id still disagree with you but at least I could respect that you were open minded.

[cantthinkofanything]

So basically anyone or anything that is anti general mutilation is wrong, but your pro mutilation sources are right. Wow. The foreskin isnt sensitive huh? You're so open minded that you refuse to even check out the links in the above post and then maybe continue to investigate from there. U know if you'd actually hear the other perspective and still disagreed, id still disagree with you but at least I could respect that you were open minded.

No one gives a . I've been happy with my penis my whole life. Trying to imagine sex feeling different with a foreskin is like trying to make a blind person understand what rings of Saturn look like.

Maybe you could start some kind of grass roots movement or something. Make up some "Save the Foreskin" shirts, website, etc. Raise money for stem cell foreskin regrowth research. , I'll buy one of the shirts.

[slick'81]

lol advark

[mavs>spurs]

No one gives a . I've been happy with my penis my whole life. Trying to imagine sex feeling different with a foreskin is like trying to make a blind person understand what rings of Saturn look like.

Maybe you could start some kind of grass roots movement or something. Make up some "Save the Foreskin" shirts, website, etc. Raise money for stem cell foreskin regrowth research. , I'll buy one of the shirts.

I've got a business model already prepared

[cantthinkofanything]

I've got a business model already prepared

Step in the right direction.

If you're convinced about the increased pleasure to women, you should also maybe initiate a line of dildos with foreskin.

Or maybe create a device that holds the foreskin back so you can choose to go either way.

[angelbelow]

Nah. 2 miscarriages likely means she's perfectly normal. The rate of miscarriage is actually estimated to be pretty high, up to about 50%. But it's impossible to determine an exact percentage because a high number of miscarriages occur before the woman even realizes she is pregnant, thus every normal, sexually active female will probably have at least 2 miscarriages in her lifetime. And while the miscarriages likely occur because of a fetal chromosomal abnormality, those abnormalities happen purely by chance, are in no way related to the parents, and very rarely recur.

Again, if she changes her mind and decides to have kids, I think what you just said is poor advice. The first miscarriage may indeed have "up to about 50%," although the statistic I'm looking at says "10-25%." I don't doubt you though, odds up to 50% sounds reasonable, but IMO, on the extreme end of the spectrum. The odds of a 2nd one happening in a row should be less likely assuming good health, environment, genetics etc.

Therefore, its better to be safe than sorry. There are many risk factors leading to miscarriages and you owe it to yourself, your partner, and to your potential child to make sure everything is fine.

[angelbelow]

more information for anyone who isn't a complete jackass and is interested, this will basically sum it up and tell you anything you need to know. it is written by a doctor.

www.lifepassages.net/foreskin.html

more good stuff

www.cirp.org/news

www.cir cisionharm.org/testimony.htm

http://voices.yahoo.com/cir cision...469.html?cat=5

I highly encourage anyone who is interested in this enough to debate to check these out and take the time to learn more rather than just instantly dismiss what I am trying to say. There is some good information in those links which could provide you with a different perspective, CF i'd be really happy if you'd browse them and then we can debate about this some more in a civil manner.

I'll check it out sometime. I don't have an opinion one way or the other and never thought about this topic but knowledge is good.

I just know that I don't like condoms and don't see myself ever tolerating them.

[mavs>spurs]

Lucky me, and you're right So for cir cised people it just feels like...the rest? Damn

i also like how cf dismisses the firsthand account of an intact male who speaks from experience that his foreskin is the most touch sensitive part of his penis. CF, you know how i know he's telling the truth? the circ scar for me is also highly sensitive and feels different than the rest.

[leemajors]

lol it's a scar

are you just numb below it?

[mavs>spurs]

what do you mean?

what im saying is where the scar is it's made up of a tiny fragment of remaining foreskin tissue. it's way more super sensitive to fine touch than the rest. tbh if it ever gets stimulated thoroughly during intercourse/masturbation, the orgasm is a lot more powerful.

[mavs>spurs]

tbh circ'ed guys you're luck if you still have your frenulum intact, another highly erogenous zone. it's probably the most sensitive thing left if you're circed. sometimes that gets removed entirely