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    ‘Deep Thoughts’ and Cheap Thoughts: San Antonio Spurs vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
    By Dan Devine | Ball Don't Lie – 19 hours ago

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    The brace says it all. (Photo via Pounding the Rock)

    No. 1 San Antonio Spurs vs. No. 2 Oklahoma City Thunder

    "Life is a constant battle between the heart and the brain. But guess who wins. The skeleton."

    The remarkable resurgence of Spurs centerpiece Tim Duncan — he of the Frank Castle knee brace and the skel-toe adidas — has been a story worth marveling over this postseason. The 36-year-old looked off-the-vine fresh during the Spurs' straight-sets wins over the Utah Jazz and Los Angeles Clippers in the first two rounds, averaging 19.8 points, 10.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists per 36 minutes of playoff burn, hitting 54 percent of his field goals and just under 80 percent of his free throws, and generally seeming about as sharp and dominant and as he has since San Antonio's last le run, way back in 2007.
    It's tempting to suggest that, with Duncan playing at this level, there isn't a front line in the world that can slow him down. That, however, would ignore the yeoman's work that Thunder bigs Kendrick Perkins and Serge Ibaka did against the two-time MVP on the defensive end this season.
    Both Ibaka and Perkins held Duncan well below his per-minute season marks in scoring and field-goal percentage during the three Spurs-Thunder contests this season, of which San Antonio won two. While it's tough to use those matchups as an accurate predictor of how the series writ large will unfold — San Antonio was without Manu Ginobili for all three games, started long-since-jettisoned Richard Jefferson in the first two and didn't get now-integral subs utes Boris Diaw and Stephen Jackson into the fold until after the teams' season series ended — it's worth noting that in one area in which the principals will remain the same, Duncan struggled to a 15-of-42 (35.7 percent) shooting mark in 86 total minutes.
    That includes a particularly bad 7-of-16 (43.8 percent) mark at the rim in the three games combined, about 20 percent below Duncan's season-average conversion rate on up-close tries, according to Hoopdata's shot-location statistics, and significantly behind the bounty he got against the Jazz and Clippers (22-of-34, 64.7 percent). More than any other team left in the postseason (and perhaps more than any other team in the league), the Thunder are equipped to limit Duncan's scoring effectiveness.
    The problem is, the Spurs don't really need Duncan to score to win. Duncan has scored 15 points or less 31 times this season; San Antonio is 23-8 in those games. It's happened nine times since St. Patrick's Day — sort of an unofficial division point in the Spurs' season, since the March 17 loss to the Dallas Mavericks marked the first time they played with both Jackson and Ginobili back in the lineup — and they're 8-1. Part of that has to do with the brilliance of Tony Parker, who averaged 17.3 points and 6.7 assists per game without Duncan this year, who has been an absolute killer during the Spurs' lengthy winning streak, and who frequently seems capable of penetrating at will and putting defenses at the mercy of an offensive system that so often responds to defensive answers by changing the questions.
    As Zach Lowe of SI.com's The Point Forward blog noted in a great breakdown of Parker's play against the Thunder defense this season, Oklahoma City has seemed to want to cut off Parker's angles of penetration in the Spurs' bread-and-butter pick-and-roll, conceding semi-contested perimeter jumpers by San Antonio's shooters off outside dishes rather than allowing Parker to get into the teeth of their defense, compromise its integrity and allow wide-open jumpers by San Antonio's shooters off his drive-and-kick game. Within that framework, Parker has been able to get his own offense, averaging 23.7 points per game against OKC this year (including a big 42-point explosion at the beginning of April) while still handing out 7.7 assists per contest.
    Russell Westbrook is an amazing player who will work his backside off on defense in this series. And if he gets in trouble, Thunder coach Scott Brooks can switch some more size onto Parker — defensive ace Thabo Sefolosha, Sixth Man of the Year James Harden or scoring champ Kevin Durant, the trio that combined to harass Kobe Bryant in Oklahoma City's second-round win over the Los Angeles Lakers. But Parker's shown an ability to beat whatever defense OKC, and anyone else, has devised for him this year, whether with a bucket of his own or a dish to a teammate.
    If Parker can continue to operate roughly as he has been, creating for himself or for Pop's seemingly endless ranks of shooters, then it's hard to see a way that Oklahoma City can slow San Antonio down enough to win four times in seven games, so long as Duncan is still able to hold down the myriad defensive tasks he performs so well. And he has been against Oklahoma City this season, rebounding like crazy and anchoring a defensive unit that has locked the Thunder down to a sub-Bobcats offensive rating (number of points scored per 100 possessions) while he's on the floor, as detailed by Aaron McGuire at Spurs blog 48 Minutes of . Yes, the Thunder have allowed a tick under 101 points per 100 possessions on the defensive end this postseason, which would have been fifth-best in the NBA over the course of the regular season, but they've played nine games against Dallas' No. 22-ranked offense and the Lakers' No. 10-ranked offense; now, they're facing the best in the business, and that matters.
    That said, I don't think the Spurs are going to shut the Thunder down, either.
    Oklahoma City stars Durant (22.7 points per game on 46.8 percent shooting), Westbrook (22.3 points on 44.8 percent shooting) and Harden (19.3 points on 59.4 percent shooting) have all scored well against San Antonio this year, and I expect them to get theirs again here. The Thunder will undoubtedly pose more offensive problems for the Spurs than either of their first two opponents did. San Antonio's difficulties defending the pick-and-roll game, which they snuffed out well against the Clippers, could rear their ugly head — they're still not a great pick-and-roll defensive team, and the Thunder were even better at generating points there than a healthy Chris Paul's Clips were during the regular season. And while defenders like Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard will do their level best to make life difficult for the Thunder's dominant wings, San Antonio doesn't have enough excellent perimeter stoppers to extinguish OKC's fire-starters entirely. (Not many teams do.)
    But I think Pop would live with that level of productivity from Durant, Westbrook and Harden if no one else is really getting off — Ibaka's ability to provide a pressure release on pick-and-pop mid-range jumpers could be huge for Brooks' offense — and I think San Antonio can make that happen. While I'll allow that the Spurs' recent improvement on the defensive end has come at the expense of an unremarkable Jazz side and a hobbled Clippers team, the improvement has still been ridiculous; they've held two top-10 regular-season offenses to 95.3 points per 100 possessions over the past eight games, and the tightening of defensive screws hasn't prevented San Antonio from punishing their opponents' bottom-third-of-the-league defenses, posting a sterling 110.1-per-100 offensive rating in the playoffs.
    Oklahoma City will be much better than what San Antonio has faced, but will they create enough problems for a legitimately improved defense to generate enough points to outstrip a rollicking offense four times in seven games? I just don't see it. The Spurs will lose during this series for the first time in nearly seven weeks, but they won't lose four times. The skeleton might not be the series' most valuable player, but the skeleton's not alone; this time around, he's got an army, and all the hearts and brains in Oklahoma City won't be able to turn back the horde.
    PREDICTION: Spurs in 6.

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    Why people predict 6 games ? That mean they see Spurs winning game 6 at OKC. Either Spurs in 5 or in 7.

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    Last year Adrian Wojnarowski picked the Mavs to lose to the Blazers, Lakers, Thunder and Heat.


    The Mavs defeated all four teams.

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    Why people predict 6 games ? That mean they see Spurs winning game 6 at OKC. Either Spurs in 5 or in 7.
    The Spurs are on a ridiculous roll on the road. They could absolutely win a game 6 in OKC.

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    Last year Adrian Wojnarowski picked the Mavs to lose to the Blazers, Lakers, Thunder and Heat.


    The Mavs defeated all four teams.

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    Last year Adrian Wojnarowski picked the Mavs to lose to the Blazers, Lakers, Thunder and Heat.


    The Mavs defeated all four teams.
    What's that have to do with Dan Levine?

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    CBS



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    ha, must've changed it from this morning. the ball don't lie guy actually had thunder picked next to his picture but wrote the article picking spurs, i left a post pointing it out to them.

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    @ barry picking okc, he seemed to change his tune in the heat pacers pregame

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    @ barry picking okc, he seemed to change his tune in the heat pacers pregame
    what did he say?

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    ha, must've changed it from this morning. the ball don't lie guy actually had thunder picked next to his picture but wrote the article picking spurs, i left a post pointing it out to them.
    Yeah, i saw that too !

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    Ball Don't Lie. I could totally see Rasheed Wallace pull a Meta World Peace and change his name to that.

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    what did he say?
    Dont remember much i was far too shocked haha. I dont think he actually said "spurs will win" but he was talking about the thunder not being able to stop parker and duncan. He basically incinuated that the spurs were going to win

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    @ barry picking okc, he seemed to change his tune in the heat pacers pregame
    Just Barry being Barry. All the guys at halftime picked Spurs, so he obviously had to go in the opposite direction.

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    so wait, the one guy who picks the thunder on cbs...runs a thunder blog?

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    I honestly dont feel great with some many experts choosing the Spurs to win this series

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    I honestly dont feel great with some many experts choosing the Spurs to win this series
    i know the feeling, but i also like it at the same time. when you see a slew of experts picking some other team, you never think it's a bad thing for that team. it's just an expectations mind game for fans, though, or at least it is with me. all these folks say the spurs should win, you REALLY want the spurs to win, you see a pretty good shot of going all the way if they win...so if they don't, what a let down. without the lofty expectations, the fall still sux but is cushioned a bit by the thought that nobody picked them anyway and they weren't favored. it's like the experts create pressure on fans, not players.

    the reason i like it, though, is the thunder had a tougher road here and got through relatively unscathed, so maybe they take this thing and the picks give me a reason to think otherwise. i like going the powell doctrine on reassuring myself: overwhelming force.

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    Given the strong dependency on statistical data by the current batch of sports analysts, it makes sense they would favor the Spurs. The Spurs are steam-rolling their opponents, and that makes their numbers look really good.

    Plus, they pass the "eye-ball test" of looking really good when you watch them.

    I can't believe I am quoting Stephen A. Smith, who I almost always disagree with and who is generally a hack, but "they don't have a weakness."

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    The Spurs are just going to go out there, do what they're supposed to do, and win 4-0.

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    I can't believe I am quoting Stephen A. Smith, who I almost always disagree with and who is generally a hack, but "they don't have a weakness."
    I like Jim Rome's take better. In a nuts , he said that he has to see the Spurs lose a game first, before he can predict they'll lose a series. A team can't beat them 4 times if they can't even beat them 1 time.

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    Pretty good predictions...I'm still leaning towards Spurs in six.

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    I honestly dont feel great with some many experts choosing the Spurs to win this series
    Me neither. I've never seen this much Spurs hype in my life. Even CNN had a front page article that said the Spurs were about to win their 5th le. WTF? So much damn pressure to come through now. I still think we win, but dayum.

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    Spurs fans are schizophrenic. They decry the lack of attention to the team from the media and then when the team starts getting more media attention they don't like it. Can't have it both ways.

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    Why people predict 6 games ? That mean they see Spurs winning game 6 at OKC. Either Spurs in 5 or in 7.
    Spurs are 3-2 at OKC over the last 3 years, and 5-0 at SA.

    They don't exactly suck at OKC. Spurs playing 1.000% ball at SA against Thunder and .600% at OKC. Thunder playing .000% at SA and only .400% at OKC.

    Spurs in 6, because there's a chance OKC steals one of the first two games due to lopsided officating (remember the 50 FTAs in one game they gave the Mavs in 2006? I still do.), then one at OKC. Spurs take game 5 then close it out in game 6 so it doesn't go 7. I think it's certainly a possibility.


    Spurs fans are schizophrenic. They decry the lack of attention to the team from the media and then when the team starts getting more media attention they don't like it. Can't have it both ways.
    Only thing I don't like about it is how most of them are trying to play it off like they've picked them all along when they've been talking for years saying the team is old, done, and needs to be blown up. Now magically when it's nearly zero hour and the league is staring down the barrel of an 18 game winning streak and two playoff sweeps, people are jumping one ship and over to the one that's not only not sinking, but is tanking it's way through icebergs and laughing about how the cigarette standing on end doesn't topple over when they do it.

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