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    3-4 of the missed calls were actually not floaters but shots that were altered after hitting the backboard.
    Ding. That's not even a judgement area.

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    Ding. That's not even a judgement area.
    Right it goes back to what I was saying about fouls too. It's pretty difficult to assess the arc of a ball traveling in real time. So goaltending on balls in the air is almost in the same category as fouls because it's a judgement call more or less. Off the backboard is a different story. Those only don't get called if the Refs aren't watching/don't care. I'm not an expert on positioning, but I would assume there is a referee on or near the baseline. So...maybe we should send them all glasses

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    It'll be amazing, though. Suddenly, those calls will be made in game 5, along with a few fouls on OKC defenders.

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    I only saw one goal-tend, the one where he did on Parker, aside from that, the rest were clean blocks.

    And they made up for it with a travel on Harden.

    Refs weren't that bad, yes, OKC got more calls, but it's not like it was 50-29 in FT's like Mia/Bos Game 2.

    I think it was...

    20 fouls on SA (with some of those late in the game when SA had to foul), 15 fouls on OKC.

    21 FT's for OKC, 16 FT's for SA.

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    Botched calls are made in every game. Sometimes these calls will go for or against your team. Its the human element part of officiating. Obviously these non calls or calls are more noticeable when your team is on the losing end. If we go back and look at the first two games the Spurs won, I am pretty sure we can nit pick a call or two that went in our favor or against us.

    Bottom line is we lost fair and square. OKC played harder and because their bigs played great we lost. The refs had nothing to do with it.

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    but they missed atleast five calls

    it lost the game for us

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    I only saw one goal-tend, the one where he did on Parker, aside from that, the rest were clean blocks.

    And they made up for it with a travel on Harden.

    Refs weren't that bad, yes, OKC got more calls, but it's not like it was 50-29 in FT's like Mia/Bos Game 2.

    I think it was...

    20 fouls on SA (with some of those late in the game when SA had to foul), 15 fouls on OKC.

    21 FT's for OKC, 16 FT's for SA.
    The goaltending non-calls I was talking about were spread out through the 4 games. Not game changers but it's still pretty lousy.

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    you all weren't crying whenever ibaka was grabbing jasin terry's right out of the air
    This should all be obvious to any fan of any sport now. It's fine when it happens against teams you are rooting against but not to your own team. There's really nothing you can do about it.

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    You don't make up for missed calls on one end by missing another at the other end. That's two missed calls.

    Refs should leave the "fairness" factor out of the game and call what they see, regardless of the situation or the player or the time left on the clock or the importance of the call.

    Goaltending should be reviewable.

    Any infraction that adds or removes points should be reviewable if it's challenged.

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    awful idea. reviewing would add another hour to a "fast paced" game that is already burdened by calls and unnecessary timeouts.

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    Botched calls are made in every game. Sometimes these calls will go for or against your team. Its the human element part of officiating. Obviously these non calls or calls are more noticeable when your team is on the losing end. If we go back and look at the first two games the Spurs won, I am pretty sure we can nit pick a call or two that went in our favor or against us.

    Bottom line is we lost fair and square. OKC played harder and because their bigs played great we lost. The refs had nothing to do with it.
    Again, I have no problem with the foul calls. The game is reffed subjectively so obviously its not going to be completely fair. The home team is going to get some foul calls, and that is why you want homecourt.

    The problem is that the goaltending issue has been on-going throughout the series and hasn't been addressed by the league or the refs. Its also not an issue that is completely subjective. If you pin the ball against the glass it is a goaltend, plain and simple. Its been done in every game in the series and it hasn't been called once. (Ironically Ibaka was called of a goaltend on a floater though which is the more subjective of the two goaltending calls)

    It's not a matter of a call going for or against a team, its a matter of a repeated missed call and highlights a tendency in officiating that is only negatively impacting the Spurs.

    The two games the Spurs lost, they lost. The refs didn't lose it for them. But over the course of the series those calls have resulted in -7 points for the Spurs (Fisher had a 3 called a 2, so that is why its not -8).

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    awful idea. reviewing would add another hour to a "fast paced" game that is already burdened by calls and unnecessary timeouts.
    So accuracy is a bad idea. Just live with the fact then that the refs control the outcome of the game and their word is unquestionable.

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    Originally Posted by Shastafarian
    3-4 of the missed calls were actually not floaters but shots that were altered after hitting the backboard.

    Ding. That's not even a judgement area.
    Remedied in two seconds if Stern and the NBPLA would add this as a replay.
    Spare me the b.s. about how much time it would take. We see conclusive replay at home instantly. The NBA could do the same thing with a courtside ref with acess to replay.

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    Originally Posted by Shastafarian
    3-4 of the missed calls were actually not floaters but shots that were altered after hitting the backboard.


    Remedied in two seconds if Stern and the NBPLA would add this as a replay.
    Spare me the b.s. about how much time it would take. We see conclusive replay at home instantly. The NBA could do the same thing with a courtside ref with acess to replay.
    I don't get it either. Refs make a split second call or lack thereof but it takes 3 refs 10 minutes to watch the same play from 6 different angles to decide on the call.

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    I just realized your UN is Spanish for Bryant's jersey number.

    How very absent minded of me.

    IF by Spanish you meant Italian then you had realized something :P

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    TP's got to throw his body into the shotblocker.

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    I only saw one goal-tend, the one where he did on Parker, aside from that, the rest were clean blocks.

    And they made up for it with a travel on Harden.

    Refs weren't that bad, yes, OKC got more calls, but it's not like it was 50-29 in FT's like Mia/Bos Game 2.

    I think it was...

    20 fouls on SA (with some of those late in the game when SA had to foul), 15 fouls on OKC.

    21 FT's for OKC, 16 FT's for SA.
    Three on Parker (Game 1, Game 3, Game 4): All trapped off the bank
    One on Ginobili (Game 3): Little floating putback from about 6-8 feet out on the way down

    I think there might been another Parker bank in Game 3.

    Game Four Non-GT on Tony: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/6/2...ibaka-goaltend

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