again, thuderfan, don't want t take anything away from you or your team. Just know that I warned you first, you're not used to having a team in big games. you will know what i'm talking about when you're in the finals and lebron and wade are parading to the free throw line. Stern wants superteam to get started on their 7 or 8 championships.... whatever bull promise lebron made.
go talk to mavs fans. they'll tell you
You have to call something on that play. You can't make a no-call on that play. It's a charge or a block. Full body contact and a player hits the floor. Have to make a call. It was borderline, but to say it was blatantly a blocking foul is just not accurate.
I know it's frustrating. I got frustrated too on certain calls last night. I think overall the refs have been very good in this series though. I'll be the first to admit if I see a bad call that goes our way. I can be pretty objective. I can see that call being called a blocking foul. I can't really think of any big calls that stood out late in the game though. There were soem bad ones here and there both ways, but I didn't find it that horrific.
I don't know how to explain it to you to make you understand, but bad calls are made both ways to create the illusion of proportionality, but the most detrimental calls are made at the most opportune times to achieve the desired goal. the league is VERY good at this. it can and often does go unnoticed. AGAIN - don't want to take anything away from the thunder. THis is an arguement against the league and Stern, not the abilties and accomplishments of the thunder.
the spurs had awesome momentum in the 3rd. They were about to take control......thats when the league stepped in. I think Pop now knows that the league doesn't want them in the Finals.
I'm not seeing that occur. I'm not saying it's never occurred, but you've mentioned a charge call drawn by Collison late in the game that was more than likely a pretty good call. I've not seen anything else in this series from the refs that had much of an impact at the end of the game.
By making an accurate charge call? I mean I might understand if it was some stupid ass touch foul or something or a blatantly bad call, but it was actually a pretty decent call, if a bit borderline. In what other way did the "league step in"?
You stole a team from Seattle and the league is erasing that memory.
there was a stupid ass touch foul called on jackson against durant when durant/thunder were on a run at one point. and similar calls at other points to either stop the spurs momentum or bolster the thunders'. im sorry you dont see it now, but you will when you're the victim of it. trust me
its futile arguing with the fan whose team benefits from the bs calls. you're blind to it. The only way you'll see it is when it goes against you.
me too hemann, me tooi was in the mood for some good ol-fashioned home cooking last night, but Stern went ahead and ordered in
I don't have any numbers to back this up, but my sense is that when the refs swallow their whistles the Spurs outplay the Thunder. The Spurs prefer an uptempo game, transition baskets, etc., and the whistles, even if called evenly, do indeed interrupt all that and put the Spurs at a disadvantage. I believe when the game flows uninterrupted, the Spurs benefit as their passes become crisper, their cuts become sharper, and their outside shots become more open and start falling. (Also, many of the Spurs are pretty poor free throw shooters.)
Instead, what we have is stop-start action, and Manu/Parker trying to force the momentum back in the favor of the Spurs, which has led to turnovers and awful shot selection.
Collison took 2 charges yesterday. I guess I take issue with that because the guy is still moving when the offensive player has already taken off.
I'm not blaming these calls for the Spurs losing, I'm just wondering if this guy ever gets called for blocks.
There were so many instances late where the refs could've made this easy on OKC it's not even funny. Parker was SUPER aggressive, as was Jackson and others. They let them play, as they should have. They could have called some pretty easy fouls and been on their way to sending OKC to the line if they were really after an end result. They could've not called that ball out on Thabo, they could've called the ball tipped in the backcourt. Not saying they would've been good calls, but they could've made them easily. NOone's really even given a concrete example of anything other than this previously mentioned charged call..and that was a poor example in itself.
And you didn't see Duncan moving and getting his own charge call? Come on.
OKC tried their damndest to give the game to SA, they really did...and the refs really didn't get in the way of OKC trying to give it back. SA hounded the living out of them at the end. Like I said, if an end result is what they wanted, they could've made that end result so much more possible given the physicality the Spurs were playing with late. And give credit to SA for playing that way, but they were on OKC liek white on rice and the refs could easily have blown the whistle..but they didn't.
dude, when it's out of your control no one is going to put the effort in to conving a thunderfan of what we know is happeneing. we all went through this before in 2006 vs the mavs. everyone went through the effort then of breaking down game footage, mavs did the same thing with the finals series when they got screwed against the heat.
we're not being bitter, we're not being sore losers, we've just seen it before and want it to stop.
again, i'll say to you that the league and the refs are VERY good at this. the tampering is so subtle that most people don't notice. another goal of the refs is to make it an exciting/overtime game. it's not going to be subtle if the calls cause a blowout. if the game goes into overtime, big deal, you can manipulate the overtime period. i'm sorry we're not taking the effort to give you visuals of our claims, but just know that we've been in this position before and know what we're talking about.
I hope you don't experience the same fate as us or the mavs in '06 in the finals this year. or maybe i do so you can have your eyes opened.
I normally disagree with thispego, but he's spot-on on this one. You have to look no further than that lottery rigging last week. It was so egregorius. You couldn't make that up, tbh.
One call that exemplifies how the officiating helps a team like the Thunder is that Westbrook drive to the basket in the third quarter when the Spurs were making their comeback. I think either Manu or Parker were guarding him. Westbrook drives to the lane, doesn't beat his defender which means they are alongside each other, and Westbrook half assedly jumps and loses the ball. There was little contact. In fact, if that's a foul then everytime Parker drives to the lane and is giving Sefalosha a free ride to the basket something similar has to be called. Another call I can think of also occurs in the third quarter involving a potential steal on the inbounds. Manu gets to the area where the ball in being thrown and the whistle blows because Manu apparently uses his arm to shield Sefalosha who I believe would be on the receiving end of that inbounds pass. After watching the game a second time, that was the worst call I've seen in the playoffs in terms of being a momentum killer, even worse than all those Ibaka goal tends in previous games. At that point the Spurs were on the comeback trail, and very questionable officiating kept the Spurs at bay even though Manu exploded offensively.
Oh, I forgot to add, Harden flops EVERYTIME he attempts a shot, layup, or whatever. It's an embarrassment to the league. He flops more than Ginobili man, and I thought I would never see a player capable of doing such a thing.
If you look at the game it looked like it was directed.
Give Spurs some early calls and then work in favor of Thunder. Fouls would be more or less equal
NBA has done ty job with the refs!
I'm not saying the spurs lost because of the refs but I want to address this . NBA allowed refs to have their style of reffing which is stupid thing as much as you can like individuality. That sets the reffing not reliable.
Then you have something like home cooking with refs being upon a pressure of the home crowd. Then you have something like entertainment - to keep the score as close as possible /Bavetta/
All that causes that refs have big impact on the game. And then players knows it and tries to trick not only their opponents but also refs.
Then comes the flopping and announcers saying that somebody needs to sell a foul in order to hear the whistle.
That's why is a t up and it looks more and more like soccer. ...
^I think it's worse than Soccer at this point since flopping occurs on almost every play.
Nope it's not
There is an acting job in soccer. Ppl getting kicked and dies or rolling all over the field in pain. Few secs later they are fine. Resurrection and stuff.
Did I said kicked? Nope - you've been tricked. They acted.
If we don't win tomorrow night we can say the NBA is fixed.
Then I'll sue them seriously.
I'm not talking about style of flopping, I meant in terms of frequency. Flopping in the NBA occurs more frequent.
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