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    Parker needs to be the leader and lead this team into battle. For the whole run of the playoffs, they've been touting the Spurs as being Tony's team now but since game 3, he has wilted and the Spurs wilted with him. Manu stepped up and Jackson did as well but unfortunately, they aren't the leaders. If Tony is going to lead, he's got to be A LEADER. If not, pass off that name to either Manu who has lead a team to Gold before or to Cap'n Jack or , give the le back to Duncan, I'm sure he has no problem being leader in this battle. Spurs can pull it off but somebody has to lead by example.

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    No Speedy Claxton to go to. Parker must step up.
    I always wondered what happened to Speedy after that year. I guess he got a big contract somewhere else.

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    Pop and his clown shoes rotations deserve the lion's share of the blame tbh. Pop is in full panic mode.

    getting out coached by Scotty Brooks
    drawing up the tiest play in NBA playoff history
    not knowing what to do when finally realizing Bonner is unreliable
    mad at Duncan for not shooting a 3
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    Parker looks completely lost. 8 years after the 2004 disaster, the defensive plan against the Spurs is still the same. Ugh.

    Begin rant: And to think Fisher will be on the winning side again. To me, Fisher is the biggest weasel in the league - from his cheap play to his facade of classiness to his goal of wanting to be a politician. I'm glad the Spurs never signed the Mailman and I'm even more glad they didn't sign Derek Fisher.

    Most of the Thunder seem like nice guys but I can't possibly cheer for them assuming they go to the Finals. Sure Durant and Westbrook are nice people but they made a deal with the devil, so to speak, in courting Fisher to be on their team. Fisher is like the moral equivalent of the Thunder owner - a weasel in a nice suit. No, I'd rather support the Heat in beating the Thunder. At least the Heat are upfront about who they are.



    I as well will be rooting for heat as the lesser of two evils. Couldn't have said it better than this (about Fisher). Cannot stand that jackass.

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    The irony is the advantage we were supposed to have was that Westbrook was a knuckle head that didn't know how to run an offense and just looked for his own shot. Now Westbrook is playing like the calm and collected point guard and Parker is playing like the ball hogging point guard that's hurting his team.

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    It's not only Parker who has failed the Spurs, it's pretty much the whole damn team. Tim Duncan doesn't even exist right now, I get that he is old. But there really is no excuse for his play. Do you mean to tell me he can't at least take his time and shoot inside instead of shooting some rushed off balanced jumper falling backwards from 4-7 feet??? Everything he does he rushes for some half assed attempt. I know OKC brings help in the paint to stop Tim, that is exactly why he should be able to find the open man. Tim has been here before, is an all time great, and is completely faltering. Even worse, his Defense has been absolutely pathetic as of late. He is getting dunked on, letting guys penetrate. It's just a sad mess. I get officiating really isn't helping us much, but that is when you need to elevate your game.
    Parker can't hit a tear drop to save his life. He can't hit a jump shot. It's clear OKC won't let him inside if he can't make anything outside. It's a fricken mess. He can't pass the ball, he can't find anyone open. His D has actually been decent for a change.
    We all know Green can't make a shot to save his life, his D has slipped a little.
    Leonard is battling, but looks like a rookie. His D has been solid, his Offense has been limited as it has all year.
    Diaw isn't involved anymore. More than OKC's D it seems like San Antonio has got away from what they like to do. It seems like he doesn't get the ball.
    Splitter is soft, he has been exposed. Granted officiating has not been on his side. Seriously some of these calls against him were head scratchers. But when is he going to man up and get into position? He watches dudes blow by him and dunk, at least put a body on them.
    Manu has been okay in spurts, yet he still is a turnover machine. He seems to be one of 3 players with any desire to win.
    Jackson has been fearless, he has came on as of late, played great D most of the series, and now his shot is falling. He has been a great leader.
    Neal, has made some big shots for us, like Jackson he seems fearless and wants to win. But we all know he can't play D. He is undersized and a step slow. It's a shame because he appears to have heart.
    Blair, I really wish he could have had more go in this series. Pop waited a little long to inject him. I get Pop didn't want to mess with what was working. But Blair always seems to play OKC well. We lack toughness on this team, and Blair brings it, o Pop!!!
    Bonner, not going to say anything. That says it all.

    I don't know what went wrong. I know OKC is a good team, they made adjustments. But more than anything it looks like the Spurs got cold, and then scared. It's sad to watch a team with championship pedigree, and an all time great coach completely falter like this. I would have thought they would go down fighting. How could a team who has won championships and won 50 games this season lack confidence??? NOt to mention a 20 game win streak!!! It's mind blowing. You look at the faces of the guys in the game, and on the bench and they look scared, they look sad. What is up with that??? Where is the intensity? I have never seen so many players pass wide open shots because they are afraid of the moment ever. There is no excuse. I thought Pop would have had this team ready. If you can't win in your house in a game 5 after you came off two road losses how are you going to win a closeout elimination game on the road? This is a monumental collapse. I don't see the Spurs pulling their head out of their asses for game 6.

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    I don't think people understand how easy it is to shut down Parker when your shooters won't hit their shots. What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?

    Parker has gotten a load of praise this year and every bit of it has been earned out there on the court. In truth he deserves criticism but only to the point that he's not ever going to be Isiah Thomas. The most irritating thing is how even after an MVP caliber season and taking a team to the WCF people fail to appreciate him for what he is and instead focus on what he is not.

    Tony Parker, forever the whipping boy of ass Spurs fans.

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    PS I don't care what the stats say - give me Parker each and every day over a stupid player like Westbrook.

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    I don't think people understand how easy it is to shut down Parker when your shooters won't hit their shots. What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?

    Parker has gotten a load of praise this year and every bit of it has been earned out there on the court. In truth he deserves criticism but only to the point that he's not ever going to be Isiah Thomas. The most irritating thing is how even after an MVP caliber season and taking a team to the WCF people fail to appreciate him for what he is and instead focus on what he is not.

    Tony Parker, forever the whipping boy of ass Spurs fans.
    Man, no truer words have been typed on these boards. Parker deserves blame and criticism for his turnovers and erratic play, but he's also helped shut down Russell Westbrook. If the Spurs would take care of the basketball, Tony and Manu in particular, this would be an entirely different series.

    Anyway, Spurs need to leave it all on the court and play like there is no tomorrow.

    Go Spurs Go!

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    Problem is, these physical and long teams have an advantage when they stop calling fouls that disrupt the flow and passing. It's ugly--which playoff ball often is. How to adjust to that is problematic for a finesse team.


    Blame Pop also and give OKC to learn how to defend on Parker as many Euro teams use to it.

    The option when Parker is double team in the hig pick and roll is to give the ball to Duncan or Diaw. Why change that and ask for more Ginobili? How Pop or fan could ask to Parker to be more effective although he (or they) doesn't have confident in his own system. It's not in asking to Parker to force the penetration that the Spurs have a chance to win. Parker is not the only one to blame. It's all team which have lost its focus, its team effort, its will to share the basketball, its confidence in teammates.
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    Oh, I got you, man. Yeah...it's tough to see TP play like this even though he's clearly busting his ass on defense but he's just not playing smart basketball on the offensive end.
    What I'm most worried about is not whether he's playing smart basketball, but whether what the Thunder are throwing at him simply exceeds his ability to handle. There's no shame in having a ceiling to your game, but if this is Tony's, then we've also reached the ceiling for this team.

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    SINCE 04 ive been hearing tp saying he will get a jumpshot...lol

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    PS I don't care what the stats say - give me Parker each and every day over a stupid player like Westbrook.
    Personally, at least, I don't want to criticize Tony, so much as figure out what his realistic limit is. And yeah, if our best player were Westbrook, we'd be even worse off. Tony has worked like crazy, and he will always have my respect for raising his game this year. You can win a whole lot of games with Tony as your best player.

    But the question we're at the brink of answering is whether you can win a le with Tony as your best player. Even if the answer is no, that doesn't mean he's a bad player at all. There's only a handful of guys in the NBA right now for whom the answer is definitely yes, and even LeBron hasn't forced his way onto that list yet.

    But I'd sure love it if Tony found a way tomorrow night to take it to another level and help show that the answer is yes.

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    I don't think people understand how easy it is to shut down Parker when your shooters won't hit their shots. What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?

    Parker has gotten a load of praise this year and every bit of it has been earned out there on the court. In truth he deserves criticism but only to the point that he's not ever going to be Isiah Thomas. The most irritating thing is how even after an MVP caliber season and taking a team to the WCF people fail to appreciate him for what he is and instead focus on what he is not.

    Tony Parker, forever the whipping boy of ass Spurs fans.
    Wait so youre saying Parkers drop off is not on him? And Im assuming you blame 04' on Hedo too?

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    I guess you missed the point where I said he deserved criticism. Its always nice when someone who doesn't bother to read properly tries to be a smart ass.

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    Personally, at least, I don't want to criticize Tony, so much as figure out what his realistic limit is. And yeah, if our best player were Westbrook, we'd be even worse off. Tony has worked like crazy, and he will always have my respect for raising his game this year. You can win a whole lot of games with Tony as your best player.

    But the question we're at the brink of answering is whether you can win a le with Tony as your best player. Even if the answer is no, that doesn't mean he's a bad player at all. There's only a handful of guys in the NBA right now for whom the answer is definitely yes, and even LeBron hasn't forced his way onto that list yet.

    But I'd sure love it if Tony found a way tomorrow night to take it to another level and help show that the answer is yes.

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    lol TP immune from criticism from posters on this board, really??

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    lol TP immune from criticism from posters on this board, really??
    I guess you missed the point where I said he deserved criticism. Its always nice when someone who doesn't bother to read properly tries to be a smart ass.
    Jesus ing christ. TWO posts later.

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    Dude you wrote an entire paragraph placing blame on others on the team. Then you wrote another paragraph about how Tony is no appreciated and not accepted for what he is.

    Those of us that criticize him alot actually know exactly what he is--which is a guy that has cost the Spurs alot of series over the yrs. Theres your answer for why he gets so much . This isnt the first time hes been neutralized in the playoffs.

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    He's cost the Spurs series huh? SMH. Yeah, Tony's going to cost the Spurs the WCF. God knows if they would just not play him they'd be on the way to the finals. I'm sure if they just cut Tony earlier this season we would be on our way to the finals. He's costing the Spurs the WCF as he's cost the Spurs so many series in the past.

    Not being good enough to get you past a great team is not anywhere near the same as "costing you a series". Saying any of the big 3 has ever cost the Spurs a series is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site. And there have been some really ing stupid things said on this site.

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    I don't think people understand how easy it is to shut down Parker when your shooters won't hit their shots. What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?

    Parker has gotten a load of praise this year and every bit of it has been earned out there on the court. In truth he deserves criticism but only to the point that he's not ever going to be Isiah Thomas. The most irritating thing is how even after an MVP caliber season and taking a team to the WCF people fail to appreciate him for what he is and instead focus on what he is not.

    Tony Parker, forever the whipping boy of ass Spurs fans.
    Hey, at least he played that great second half defense in a loss!

    lol you

    Parker is playing scared, not attacking the paint relentlessly anymore, and has more unforced and stupid errors/turnovers than anyone this series, including Manu.

    I don't really need to argue this though. Everything I need to say to completely apparent in the final jumpshot Westbrook made over him and the final jumpshot he hesitated on despite being wide open.

    You're the ass for abandoning this forum/team at the beginning of the year, too, btw, like most the "fans" here.

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    The fact that he outperforms guys like Bonner or Green doesnt make any better. This team depends on Tony (and Tim&Manu) a whole lot more than they do on the rest of the guys. Hes fallen off a cliff over the past 3 games compared to what we were accustomed to this season. Hes the biggest reason the Spurs have lost 3 in a row, not some role players who have struggled.

    For a supposed MVP candidate and Top PG in the league he has been neutralized way too easily.

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    Hey, at least he played that great second half defense in a loss!

    lol you

    Parker is playing scared, not attacking the paint relentlessly anymore, and has more unforced and stupid errors/turnovers than anyone this series, including Manu.

    I don't really need to argue this though. Everything I need to say to completely apparent in the final jumpshot Westbrook made over him and the final jumpshot he hesitated on despite being wide open.

    You're the ass for abandoning this forum/team at the beginning of the year, too, btw, like most the "fans" here.

    What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?


    he shot 12 free throws last night
    he still attacked
    he needs to attack more but it is hard when no one makes an outside shot
    heck manu big night was alot of it because of the three ball not dunks or fingerrolls

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    What is Parker supposed to do when Green is out there in the corner and doesn't need to be guarded? What is Parker supposed to do when Neal goes 0-6? What is Parker supposed to do when OKC puts their best defender on him and the rest of the Spurs are unable to exploit things. What is Parker supposed to do when the refs refuse to call Ibaka for goal tends?


    he shot 12 free throws last night
    he still attacked
    he needs to attack more but it is hard when no one makes an outside shot
    heck manu big night was alot of it because of the three ball not dunks or fingerrolls
    i see pointing fingers now at role players who play insiginifcant minutes stuck in the doghouse in the 3 losses, while ur leader/hero or whatever you wanna call him plays the bulk of the minutes decides to give up.

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