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Not surprising. Thanks for taking the time TJastal
I was really curious to see if there was any merit to what ppl are ing about in some of the other threads on the front page today. So I broke this down and wanted to do a sort of "play by play" of anything related to the way the game was officiated. Mind you, this will initially only include the 1st quarter, but quarters 2-4 will be added as my time permits. Also, I am attempting to remain as impartial as possible given I am a spurs fan. I try to adhere to this as best I can.
1st quarter analysis.
To open up the game, Parker gets a couple of homecooking calls putting his body into the OKC bigs, I'll give them "questionable" status, though it's almost a certainty that Durant would be the benficiary of said calls back in OKC.
For some reason Scott Foster misses an obvious call which favors OKC. Westbrook's jumper caroms off, both Diaw & Sefalosha make chase, my frame by frame DVR shows nobody touches the ball yet he awards it back to OKC.
Duncan gets called for a questionable call guarding Perkins in the post, apparently for having one hand on Perkins back. Apparently this is a foul when the spurs do it, yet when Fisher did the same to Splitter in the last game, it was a foul against the spurs. To be precise, Fisher actually was using an arm bar AND using his off hand while Duncan kept his other hand straight up in the air (thus adhering to the "one point of contact" rule.) Perkins inexplicably es to the refs and gets a tech, have no clue what that was about. Probably that time of the month for him.
Parker now on the fast break, appears to get a shove on his drive (replay wasn't conclusive, bad angle). Turns the ball over. However officials award Westbrook on the other end for an apparent slap which was also inconclusive, couldn't tell if there was contact. One would think home team should benefit on these iffy calls, not the other way around.
After an obvious moving pick by Collison that frees up Durant to drive to the hoop, Durant gets fouled by Diaw (announcers say Diaw "shouldered" him but frame by frame shows it was actually a slight push in the waist as he drove by). I'd call it a questionable call at best. Especially in lieu of the next possession..... you guys will love this.
Parker drives to the hoop puts up floater, misses. But here we have an almost identical push in the waist (by Sefalosha) as Parker goes into his shot, yet no call is made. If anything a call like this should favor the home team. Yet we have exactly the opposite going on.
Duncan now gets called for offensive foul even though replay shows Collison's foot touching the inner circle. It's close however, almost too close to call. Again, who is the home team here? OKC apparently. And apparently scrub Collision > Tim Duncan in this league. Go figure. Duncan has to sit down because of #2 because of two bogus fouls now. Huge swing of momentum.
Parker gets another nudge in the back (this time by Fisher) as he drives to the hoop (scoring on Collison) sending him sprawling to the floor. No whistle here again. I notice Fisher gets away with these nudges constantly against Parker and Manu, and never gets called.
Jackson makes a clean swipe of the ball from behind (frame by frame confirms this) yet is called for a foul. Of course, it's Durant getting the benefit. This will play a critical role now as this puts OKC into the penalty and Durant gets free throws out of this bs call.
I'm not sure what happened next. The tnt crew decided that Perkins waving and pointing like as asshat was important than the filming game. All I know is when they cut back to game action it's Fisher's turn on the line for bogus free throws (thanks to penalty!)
Now it's Blair's turn to get hosed. As Fisher goes by Blair (completely set mind you) extends his ass out and barely nudges Fisher (as is normal in 99.9% of screens set in this league) and is whistled for a foul. Of course, Fisher flops like he has been leveled by a sledgehammer. Of course ref buys hook line and sinker into Fisher's all to familiar act. Costly turnover for spurs.
Now it's Hard-on's turn to get his knob polished by the refs. He drives straight into Green and drives him backward and onto the floor and is somehow awarded a trip to the line for this. Manu protests by showing the refs that Green's arms were straight and stiff a board to no avail. Another bad call, IMHO should have even been considered an offensive foul on Hard-on.
On the very next possession Collison bear hugs Ginobili on a drive and is awarded a tie-up. Seriously?
It really can't get much worse than this folks. And this is only the 1st quarter, I have 3 more to go (when time permits). Can't wait tbh.
Not surprising. Thanks for taking the time TJastal
Literally every play involving Collison was 50-50 at best, and bull at worst
50-50 plays should go to the home team especially if they involve an away scrub and a home star
Whatever both teams had 25 fouls called... So it is what it is...
Keep making excuses
Refs jobs are tough. I am not one that fancies blaming officials but I found myself frustrated at the officiating and constant momentum killing calls namely when ginobilli drove and went for the tie or to cut the deficit to two and ibaka gets away with yet another goaltend. If we were in okc I'd understand but not at home.
Who cares. NBA officiating is always inconsistent in the playoffs. Nothing we can do about it, can't use it as an excuse.
Stay concerned about what the Spurs can control, and that's turnovers. They have to take care of the ball better so they shoot as many times as OKC throughout the game, and not 6 shots less. Can't be careless with the ball and commit dumb fouls on offense and expect to beat this team.
You have the Ginobilis and Durants among Refs, too.
Officiating is not that hard really.
These guys did a pretty good job.
At the end of the day, the Finals everybody expects is Durant vs Lebron.
Spurs sure did get Jim Donaghy vs the Suns in 2007.
They did not get the 2012 Donaghy for sure.
Hmm… I think this breakdown is missing a few fouls.
Serge Ibaka personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
No mention on this one. And wow! Two early fouls on Ibaka! Were these of “questionable” status? As having Ibaka out early might be detrimental to the Thunder.
Thabo Sefolosha shooting foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
No comment on this foul either TJastal.
Russell Westbrook offensive charge (DeJuan Blair draws the foul)
Another no comment.
You'd think if you wanted a gamelog that was impartial, you'd also look at the fouls that OKC committed and comment on whether those were fair calls or not.
This was a complete analysis of what exactly? The calls you felt went against SA? You conveniently skipped a pretty good number of like calls going the other direction. Great objectivity there.
But, some fouls affect the outcome more than others.
It doesn't really matter, though. This team is good enough that the officiating shouldn't have mattered.
Although, I'm working on a theory that the league wants these 2 series to go to 7 in the most exciting way possible, the home team losing games 5 and 6 to boost rating for game 7.
(No, I'm not serious)
I don't think there is much need for analysis. It was a poorly officiated game for both teams, period. Chances are it was a wash in the end, but it was an odd mix of quick whistles followed up by make-up calls on the other end. Then 5 seconds later it would switch to a mugging on one end and a no-call wrap-up on the other, with the refs swallowing their whistles.
There was definitely a lack of consistency, but in the end it would be hard to say one team greatly benefited over the other.
LnG, w/ the slapping goods
In spite of the 25/25 foul calls, the officiating was not true to form in that a lot of critical calls went against the home team. Will anyone be surprised to see the home team get the critical calls in Game 6?
So much for impartiality. I know that the Jackson foul on Durant was legit, as was the Blair offensive foul.
Which calls were more "critical" than the others? Just curious. I would argue that Ibaka getting two fouls early back-to-back is pretty critical.
The reffing has been horrendous all around in these playoffs for all teams. Somehow it appears the lockout affected them more than the players. I didn't like some of the calls last night, but at least the Spurs are not getting the treatment Boston is getting in the East.
Ok lets look at those fouls. Ibaka called under the basket for a foul, happens regular as clockwork. What does he do? He stares and snipes with the official and get a "vet" move put on his ass. He turns and runs over Manu. Whether you like it or not, stupidity cost him the second. Manu shooting foul by sefolosha was a foul. He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. And the Westbrook foul. What can I say about that? Blair is set and waiting for him. He has done that all year long. Now that we have covered the first 1:54 secs of play, explain to me how the Thunder can bang and bump for the rest of the quarter on 1, ONE, foul? Talk about the 4 fouls in 2 mins but 1 foul in the next 10?
Spurs will win the series, if the homecooking in OKC is left at the outskirts of town.
F the refs
Its the old Pistons strategy. Foul on every play cause they won't call them all.
The NBA is bull I have not bought a ticket since .4 and probably never will.
I suppose I should have made it clear here I was only commenting when I felt something was either missed or poorly called. If the officials made the correct calls (or proper "no-calls") there was no mention.
As far as the incidents you pointed out, I did mention the early fouls Parker drew were "questionable", but still legit for a superstar on his home court. I have no doubt Durant would get the same calls in OKC. Steve Kerr and Reggie Miller both concurred with this sentiment.
The Ibaka foul on Ginobili wasn't even questionable it was the right call. Manu stopped his dribble in front of Ibaka and Ibaka ran him over. I'm not sure why you would mention this one. So Ibaka got his 2nd foul. Boo ing hoo. If he didn't want his 2nd foul then next time he'll pay more attention to where he's going on the court.
The foul on Sefalosha was also legit. As Manu drove baseline, Thabo used his left hand to shove him off balance furthur underneath the basket and then swatted down with his right hand. For a final encore he hooked Ginobili by the shoulder and gave him another shove which spun Manu about 90 degrees and caused his arm to flail outward, hitting Collison in the face. Without Sefalosha's multiple contact fouls this is most likely either a dunk or lay-in by Manu, seeing as Collison was way late with his help defense.
The charge on Westbrook was the right call, as mentioned by others in this thread. Blair was properly positioned and not touching the circle.
So .. uh... if and when you actually come up with something legit that I might have missed please by all means let me know LngrrR. It seems all the examples you provided were handled correctly by the officials.
Disagree.
Jackson's strip was clean "all ball" as they say. Blair was completely set, and extended his rear out just barely clipping Fisher as he went by. So basically you're saying it's Blair's fault his ass is 4 feet wide and he should be penalized for it...
Last edited by TJastal; 06-06-2012 at 02:30 AM.
Doesn't matter how big his ass is, Blair stuck it out to impede the progress of a defender, which is an obvious foul, and they'll call that on everyone in the league every day of the week.
Jackson's strip was both hands across the arm, and even showed such on replay. In fact it was so obvious I'm now wondering if we're thinking about two different plays.
I don't give a about the fouls. Do I get pissed when refs make bad calls? Yeah. I actually hate the NBA officiating more than any other sport; it's ing pathetic. But ty calls go both ways. They can influence which team wins or loses on any given night, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
The key is for the PLAYERS to not allow themselves to be in a position where a few garbage calls can decide the game.
I'm not mad at the refs. (Actually I ing hate the refs, but I don't blame them for our losses). I'm mad at the Spurs. Aside from one or two players for each of our losses, our team is playing like absolute trash. No hustle. No passion. They're hanging their heads and letting the Thunder get to them on a psychological level.
Tomorrow is time for all chips on the table. Either the Spurs pull their heads out of their asses and show they still have what it takes, or they collapse like a house of cards and show that they're now MENTALLY weak. (I don't believe it's because we're "old", that's bull ). It's time for our supposed superstars to get their together. We can't just have Ginobili solo the Thunder, nor can our stars lean on a rookie and a handful of roleplayers to win it for them. It needs to be the TEAM playing good enough to beat a team as good as the Thunder.
We know we are capable of playing better than we are, it just comes down to the Spurs' mentality and desire to win this series. I said it before in another thread, if we play like we were playing during the 20 game win streak, and the Thunder still beat us, well I won't even be mad. The changing of the guard will be in full effect. But if we play hanging our heads when we don't get calls, and ing at refs, and with 2/3 "superstars" MIA and roleplayers that were hitting ~60% or some , all of a sudden shooting 15%, then I'll be pissed.
Sick of seeing no one diving for loose balls tbh...this is the ing WCF ffs.
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