What, no threads giving props to Tony Parker?

[ElNono]

Maybe Spurs fans are spoiled? MAYBE?!??!?!?



You never stop to think that TD and Manu had slightly more talent - including a TP that was just as good as he is now - to help carry that load? Instead, when Tony can't do it with Manu and Tim that are shadows of themselves he gets all this .

Tony has not gotten better than he was in 2005. He's just had to carry more of the load.

So you agree that the Tony Parker "team leader"/"franchise" player is a flawed proposition. Then the question is, where do the Spurs go from here? Obviously, building around a guy like Tony isn't a sound plan. Yet the Spurs aren't bad enough where they can land a franchise guy on the lottery.

[FkLA]

Don't back pedal now with your goal posts in tow, face.

I dont need to backpedal. When I said people werent saying Parker was terrible or that the Spurs would be better off w/o him I was referring to posts in this thread dumbass. Obviously if you look hard enough youll find a couple of re s making ridiculous threads. Just so you know though your lack of criticism towards Parker is almost as bad as that guys over the top criticism.

The fact that hes been the 'whipping boy' for a decade doesnt give him the free pass that you seem to give him. Hes been that whipping boy for a reason too, prime TD and Manu rarely faded in big games the way Tony has just in the past two seasons alone.

[kaji157]

Maybe Spurs fans are spoiled? MAYBE?!??!?!?



You never stop to think that TD and Manu had slightly more talent - including a TP that was just as good as he is now - to help carry that load? Instead, when Tony can't do it with Manu and Tim that are shadows of themselves he gets all this .

Tony has not gotten better than he was in 2005. He's just had to carry more of the load.

Im going to put it this way, Ginobili is a lot more than a shadow, and if he is, then Parker should have played at least as good as Ginobili did in game 5, because THAT IS WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM YOUR BEST PLAYER WHEN HE GOT 20 POINTS IN THE FIRST HALF.
Ginobili understood the game was on him during game 5 and delivered untill the last 3 pointer, Parker played 2 quarters.

[ElNono]

No, he couldn't do it all. That part is obviously true. But stupid s in here saying he cost them the game or that he choked. Go back to the game log. Who was that scoring down the stretch in the fourth and keeping the Spurs in striking distance?

Yeah, the choker.

I'm going to the Game Log, and dude was 2-8 with 2 assists until very late in the 4th, when the Thunder already have come all the way back. I'm not taking anything away from what he did in the 1st half. That was majestic. But he went MIA in the second. It's not like we didn't go to him, which is what teams do. OKC went to Durant and delivered. We went to Tony and he didn't.

[MannyIsGod]

I dont need to backpedal. When I said people werent saying Parker was terrible or that the Spurs would be better off w/o him I was referring to posts in this thread dumbass. Obviously if you look hard enough youll find a couple of re s making ridiculous threads. Just so you know though your lack of criticism towards Parker is almost as bad as that guys over the top criticism.

The fact that hes been the 'whipping boy' for a decade doesnt give him the free pass that you seem to give him. Hes been that whipping boy for a reason too, prime TD and Manu rarely faded in big games the way Tony has just in the past two seasons.

Enjoy the next Sleepy Floyd that gets to run this team.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm going to the Game Log, and dude was 2-8 with 2 assists until very late in the 4th, when the Thunder already have come all the way back. I'm not taking anything away from what he did in the 1st half. That was majestic. But he went MIA in the second. It's not like we didn't go to him, which is what teams do. OKC went to Durant and delivered. We went to Tony and he didn't.

Yeah - he was out there on an open court. Its not like OKC tried to change things. We should go out and trade Parker for a guy who can give us more than 29-12 in an elimination game.

Any ideas on who that is?

[clambake]

manny? wtf

[ElNono]

Yeah - he was out there on an open court. Its not like OKC tried to change things. We should go out and trade Parker for a guy who can give us more than 29-12 in an elimination game.

Any ideas on who that is?

29 on 27 shots? 4 assists on the entire half?

[FkLA]

Parker is better than Sleepy Floyd, so spurfan should not criticize Parker. Got you.

[MannyIsGod]

So you agree that the Tony Parker "team leader"/"franchise" player is a flawed proposition. Then the question is, where do the Spurs go from here? Obviously, building around a guy like Tony isn't a sound plan. Yet the Spurs aren't bad enough where they can land a franchise guy on the lottery.

Um, of course? The only reason the team succeed so well with that is because of players like Danny Green playing as well as he did. When that stopped happening, it became a of a lot easier to stop Tony Parker. The Spurs didn't build around Tony Parker. They built around the big 3 and when the big 3 weren't so big anymore they retooled on the fly.

You guys don't know what rebuilding is, but I suspect we're a year or two from actually finding out. When that happens, I promise you that you'll be wishing for a guy with Tony Parker's talent.

[MannyIsGod]

29 on 27 shots? 4 assists on the entire half?

Yeah, next time he should make the shots for his teammates so get credit for the assists.

Tony had a of a game tonight. Its a god damn shame he didn't get more help.

[MannyIsGod]

Parker is better than Sleepy Floyd, so spurfan should not criticize Parker. Got you.

Spursfan should not criticize Parker on a night when he has 29-12 with one turnover. In fact, they should give him props. You'll understand when the next Cory Alexander is drafted.

[dg7md]

Stats do not tell the story. The overall second half from him was very spotty. That is when champions are made and Parker did not react well to the pressure.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, next time he should make the shots for his teammates so get credit for the assists.

Tony had a of a game tonight. Its a god damn shame he didn't get more help.

Manny, take away the first half (which I know, I know....), but just do that. How would you rate just TP's second half based on his abilities, team needs and the moment?

[FkLA]

Spursfan should not criticize Parker on a night when he has 29-12 with one turnover. In fact, they should give him props. You'll understand when the next Cory Alexander is drafted.

People are giving him props for his spectacular first half. Where was he for most of the 2nd half when the Thunder made their run though ?

[ElNono]

Um, of course? The only reason the team succeed so well with that is because of players like Danny Green playing as well as he did. When that stopped happening, it became a of a lot easier to stop Tony Parker. The Spurs didn't build around Tony Parker. They built around the big 3 and when the big 3 weren't so big anymore they retooled on the fly.

Danny Green barely played in the 1st half, yet OKC couldn't stop Tony. Jack was 6-6 from downtown at some point in the 2nd half and he was single-handedly keeping the Spurs in the game.

I just don't buy it.

You guys don't know what rebuilding is, but I suspect we're a year or two from actually finding out. When that happens, I promise you that you'll be wishing for a guy with Tony Parker's talent.

Not really. I will be wishing for a franchise guy. A guy like TD is probably unrealistic, but look at OKC. Durant isn't halfway bad.

[DPG21920]

Spursfan should not criticize Parker on a night when he has 29-12 with one turnover. In fact, they should give him props. You'll understand when the next Cory Alexander is drafted.

Do you criticize Lebron? I am fairly certain you have. It comes because he puts up massive statlines, but if he doesn't deliver when the tough gets going in crucial moments, he's crucified.

This is the best player on the planet that puts up numbers way better than TP. It's how it is. You can't laude Parker (like he deserves) then shy away from the type of criticism that comes with the territory when it's deserved (which I agree, 90% of the time it's not with regards to TP)

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, take away the first half (which I know, I know....), but just do that. How would you rate just TP's second half based on his abilities, team needs and the moment?

Loaded question. If you take away the first half, then OKC doesn't come out of the half with the goal of shutting him down. If you take away the first half, Tony has more gas in the tank.

That being said, I would have loved nothing better than to see a Tony Parker 2nd half that was better. He wasn't nearly as good as he could have been.

THAT being said, take away the first half and the Spurs aren't even within 10.

[ElNono]

Yeah, next time he should make the shots for his teammates so get credit for the assists.

Tony had a of a game tonight. Its a god damn shame he didn't get more help.

And the 1st part of my post? 27 shots for 29 points? You're ok with that?

[MannyIsGod]

Do you criticize Lebron? I am fairly certain you have. It comes because he puts up massive statlines, but if he doesn't deliver when the tough gets going in crucial moments, he's crucified.

This is the best player on the planet that puts up numbers way better than TP. It's how it is. You can't laude Parker (like he deserves) then shy away from the type of criticism that comes with the territory when it's deserved (which I agree, 90% of the time it's not with regards to TP)

I'm pretty much never critical of Lebron as a player.

[MannyIsGod]

Danny Green barely played in the 1st half, yet OKC couldn't stop Tony. Jack was 6-6 from downtown at some point in the 2nd half and he was single-handedly keeping the Spurs in the game.

I just don't buy it.



Not really. I will be wishing for a franchise guy. A guy like TD is probably unrealistic, but look at OKC. Durant isn't halfway bad.

Good luck with that wishing. You're damn right that Spurfan is spoiled and that last sentence is a great example of it.

[timvp]

I'm disappointed in ElNono. He paints himself as the playful Parker troller and claims everything is an anti-jinx attempt but in reality he really does just hate Parker and appears happy that the Spurs weren't able to win a championship with Parker as the best player.

This loss has exposed a lot tonight, tbh.

[kaji157]

Loaded question. If you take away the first half, then OKC doesn't come out of the half with the goal of shutting him down. If you take away the first half, Tony has more gas in the tank.

That being said, I would have loved nothing better than to see a Tony Parker 2nd half that was better. He wasn't nearly as good as he could have been.

THAT being said, take away the first half and the Spurs aren't even within 10.

I don´t give you that, when you are a leader, when you realise and embrace you are the best player ina team you just have to be prepared to face a team trying to shut you down.
I don´t have to say this, but people always said "who´s going to stop duncan?".
About Manu they always said, It´s impposible to defend, he scores in so many ways (see game 5).
But from Parker that is not there, people just say, clog the paint, he won´t pass he will take a jumpshoot.

[timvp]

Literally no one said anything about Manu being 2-for-8 in the fourth quarter of Game 5 and everyone basically shrugged off his missed three-pointer that could have tied it. No one makes a big deal of him being mostly MIA tonight.

But Parker balls his heart out tonight and basically carried the offense for 90% of the game and might have been the best defensive player yet there are those trying to paint him as the person who lost the game. Amazing.

Ish is just mind-boggling dumb if it isn't part of some type of agenda (Manu love, trolling, etc.).

[DPG21920]

Timvp throwing more haymakers than the Spurs in games 3-5 tbh...