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    Being able to vary the EM frequency output of a diode would be interesting. Arraying diodes is anything but interesting. You like NASCAR too? Watching them go around in circles?

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    Being able to vary the EM frequency output of a diode would be interesting. Arraying diodes is anything but interesting. You like NASCAR too? Watching them go around in circles?
    Always the spoil sport. Aren't you...

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    Always the spoil sport. Aren't you...
    Well explain to me what so fascinating about their design. I actually know what goes into the design of such things and its anything but exciting. Was there some innovation of the geometry of the array that I missed or you just impressed by stupid ?

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    I would assume that the array isn't what is interesting, he is probably referring to the results.

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    I would assume that the array isn't what is interesting, he is probably referring to the results.
    Oh I get that but you have no idea how dull the actual design of this type stuff is. i am sure that the cost point analysis is just so riveting as well.

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    Well explain to me what so fascinating about their design. I actually know what goes into the design of such things and its anything but exciting. Was there some innovation of the geometry of the array that I missed or you just impressed by stupid ?

    Often, good design is taking existing off-the-shelf technology and putting it together in a way that no one had thought of. Dyson products come to mind. With their "dull" design, they produced the brightest LED in the world and across a wide spectrum of white.

    But, since you know everything already, I'm not telling you something you don't already know.

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    I know everybody here was wondering whether or not republicans were still crusading to protect our homes against invasion by superior domestic illumination products. Fear not! They still are.

    House Adopts Measure to Halt Light-Bulb Efficiency Law

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    TX Repug asshole leading the charge against energy efficiency

    "People are sick of the government treading where it just doesn't belong," said Representative Michael Burgess, a Texas Republican who sponsored the light-bulb amendment"

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    IN MIC! ALWAYS KILLING THE EARTH!

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/a...ent/#continued

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    TX Repug asshole leading the charge against energy efficiency

    "People are sick of the government treading where it just doesn't belong," said Representative Michael Burgess, a Texas Republican who sponsored the light-bulb amendment"
    Why are you so worried about flood lamps, of which are not as common as indoor bulbs?
    41. H.AMDT.1210 to H.R.5325 An amendment numbered 10 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit the use of funds to be used to 1) implement or enforce section 430.32(x) of le 10, Code of Federal Regulations or 2) implement or enforce the standards established by the tables contained in section 325(i)(1)(B) of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act with respect to BPAR incandescent reflector lamps, BR incandescent reflector lamps, and ER incandescent reflector lamps.
    Do you really want to spend money on lamp police?

    I would ask you to show me how partisan this amendment was, but there is no record. Did you know this was passed with a voice vote, which means enough democrats, probably most, also agreed to the amendment...

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    Why are you so worried about flood lamps, of which are not as common as indoor bulbs?
    There are more than a few out there.

    Do you really want to spend money on lamp police
    How do the lamp police work? Explain their job les and their responsibilities.

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    How do the lamp police work? Explain their job les and their responsibilities.
    LOL...

    Exactly, so why pay for enforcement?

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    LOL...

    Exactly, so why pay for enforcement?
    LOL...

    Exactly, you don't know anything about it and are just talking out of your ass.

    Again.

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    Denying money for enforcement is a time honored and frequently used "check and balance" mechanism for when Congress thinks the Executive branch has overstepped. It's not about light bulb police but can even be broadly extended to printing and distributing copies of the regulation and naturally money can't be expended enforcing it either.

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    Repugs just defunded the FCC from having broadcasters published online their political advertizers.

    Repugs defunded SEC (which is wimpy police force anyway, see JPMChase with 100 embedded police who missed the $3B bad bet)

    Repugs are defunding ACA, and everything that the Dems have passed (except MIC)

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    Denying money for enforcement is a time honored and frequently used "check and balance" mechanism for when Congress thinks the Executive branch has overstepped. It's not about light bulb police but can even be broadly extended to printing and distributing copies of the regulation and naturally money can't be expended enforcing it either.
    I imagine enforcement probably won't be necessary anyway. I haven't heard of one light bulb maker opposing the new regulations in the first place.

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    I imagine enforcement probably won't be necessary anyway. I haven't heard of one light bulb maker opposing the new regulations in the first place.
    In fact, they were pissed that the republicans were trying to strip them away.

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    Just another fabricated "hate government" controversy by Fox Repug net and their bubba devotees here.

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    In fact, they were pissed that the republicans were trying to strip them away.
    Probably to some extent, but it wouldn't be nearly as big a deal to them now as it would have been had this all happened back in 08 or 09 shortly after the regulations were passed. We're far enough along now in the process where the bulb makers have already made the up front investment in getting compliant bulbs to market and are already seeing prices come down as they get more efficient at it. The LED lights I bought a year ago for $40 are already down to $25-$30. Prices are going to keep declining. Regulations or no regulations LEDs will eventually hit a price point where people are going to be willing to look past the high up front cost and focus on how an LED bulb will last 10 times as long and use 1/5th of the electricity.

    In that sense, you could probably make a decent case that the regulations have already worked whether they end up getting enacted or not.

    Not saying that the regulations should be repealed, I don't think they should, just that if they were repealed I don't think it would be the end of the movement to more efficient lightbulbs.

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    LOL...

    Exactly, you don't know anything about it and are just talking out of your ass.

    Again.
    You right. You know as well as I do, they wouldn't be actual police. They would act like traffic police. Look for violators and fine them.

    Why do you want to see such floodlights disappear?

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    You right. You know as well as I do, they wouldn't be actual police. They would act like traffic police. Look for violators and fine them.
    Would they really? Who is planning on violating the law?

    Why do you want to see such floodlights disappear?
    Straw man.

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    "Why do you want to see such floodlights disappear?"

    LED street lights are available and being installed to save electricity, replacement costs.

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    "Why do you want to see such floodlights disappear?"

    LED street lights are available and being installed to save electricity, replacement costs.
    My God you head. They are still too many factors more expensive. How many do you own?

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    LED stop lights are everywhere. the LEDs are reliable, the driver electronics much less so.

    It's been years since I've seen a cop or EMS vehicule with incandescent flashers.

    running, turning, stop lights are all LED on recent car models.

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...affiliate_a_gc

    you righties are knee-jerk retrogrades.

    I don't own any LED street lights.

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    What about floodlights? That was my question. How much do you pay for a 2500 lumen LED floodlight vs. a 2500 lumen incandescent? I use two floodlights. How many do you use? I believe the LED ones are about $500 each. The incandescent are about $3. Why should I be paid to pay so much more for such a limited application? Even the florescent are pretty spendy when you get that much light out of one.

    These are far from cost effective yet.

    This legislation is about floodlights.

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