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Replace all the gutless worms in the team.
Yeah, it's a little early. No, I don't care.
1. Everyone but the big three and Leonard should be available. That doesn't mean blow it up; it means everyone else should be in play. Remember, no matter how bleak it looks, Pop has made it clear they'll continue to attempt to contend until Duncan retires. He also made it clear that if they didn't win tonight, they're not championship caliber. So with that in mind, I don't want to see Jackson traded, but he's got a big expiring contract and showed yet again, that he makes love to pressure (meaning, despite the headache he can be, I think they could find a taker). I don't want to see Neal traded, but he's a year away from a big payday and they could use a more natural backup at the point (plus if he's traded, Mills would be far more likely to opt in).
2. Re-sign Duncan, for whatever he wants, then re-sign Diaw and Green, at reasonable rates. Attempt to sign Lorbek, sign De Colo and let Anderson walk.
3. Trade Splitter. I like Splitter, so this is not an emotional overreaction to what just happened, it's the reality: He's 27, is a niche player (hat tip to timvp), is soft and doesn't really, truly care. But like Hill, when he was the 4th best player on the team, he's not a great fit with one of the big three and considering that member of the big three plans to play another year or two, does it make sense to commit to Splitter long term, considering the type of money he'll command? Will he even want to settle for being a roughly 20 mpg backup? Either way, he's a major trade piece and needs to be used to acquire a younger, more athletic four/five, in the mold of Ibaka.
It's admittedly a long shot and yes, he's not really Spurs material, but it's worth a shot all the same. Splitter, Jackson, Blair and a future 1st for Smith. He wants out, they need young, cheap depth and specifically they need a center, to move Horford back to his natural position, power forward.
If Jackson is traded, Green could become the backup small forward, Neal the backup shooting guard and Mills the primary backup point guard. It's small and relatively defensively deficient, but with a second shot blocker on the back line and with Leonard ready to average at least 30 mpg, it could work. Still, if Jackson is traded, they'll need someone who's at least capable of being a primary backup small forward and not just a depth one for emergency purposes. Basically, someone the caliber of Mills, only at small forward.
If that fails, then offer Spitter, Blair and Bonner for Udoh, the 12th pick and Brockman. The Bucks desperately need a starting center and could use a stretch four to replace Ilyasova. At 12, the Spurs could obviously use depth of size, particularly because Diaw re-signing probably means no Lorbek. Fortunately, between Zeller, either of the Jones', Moultrie and Leonard, they should have their choice of various bigs.
Basically, the end result is you're either getting a star caliber player, who's still young enough to be a long term building block or you're getting two lesser, albeit younger, relatively high upside bigs. Either way, the big rotation should fit better and be better set up long term. If they pulled off the former, then obviously they'd need a backup center. The market is slim, as always, in this area, but it wouldn't be quite as crucial as it's been in recent seasons, because Smith can log big minutes.
So that's my plan (as always, it's subject to change). What's yours?
Replace all the gutless worms in the team.
The off season plan is to work defense back into the system. This Phoenix suns BS was great for this year and last year but it ain't winning us jack. Defense needs to be brought back.
I'd like to see what Mills could do with a full season of work. He's young so I would take a chance on him. Resign Diaw. Keep Green and Neal. We've got to get either an athletic four or a stretch four who's dependable. I like the idea of trading for Josh Smith. That puts our present core and future roster stable. The rest of these soft guys gotta go.
Tough one.. I was honestly trying to think about it for the past hour but the loss is still too fresh.
Initial reaction:
-Originally wanted Duncan to resign for whatever he wants. The loss has made me more objective in that we should at least broach the subject of taking a pay cut to him.
-Too many soft players... does bringing on Lorbek and De Colo change that? I'm not familiar with their style but we need more Stephen Jackson's and not Tiago Splitter's.
-Would like to re-sign Diaw.. ideally 3 yr 9 million but that might be too steep.
-Need some consistent play at the 2 position. Ginobili was too inconsistent in these playoffs and Green disappeared in the WCF. Does De Colo help here?
Fire the entire team instead of putting us through these amazing seasons just to choke again in the playoffs.
Just kidding too pissed to think about any of it right now.
You might be the only person in the world who's ever uttered that sentence
Well there's no question he'll be taking a sizable pay cut. I'd say the absolute max he'll get next season is $15 million. By whatever he wants, I mean within' reason. Obviously, he's not worth $20 million a season anymore, but I'm sure he knows that and he's about winning, so I have the utmost confidence that he'll be reasonable. If he wants $15 million though, even if it is a little high, I'd give it to him. I'd just explain what him taking that much would likely mean as far as upgrades though.
I agree that softness continues to be a major issue. De Colo is irrelevant in that sense, because he has virtually no chance of being in the rotation next season. Even Lorbek, he'd be hard pressed. I guess, if they pulled off the Smith trade, he could be the backup center. But like I and many others have said, if Diaw is re-signed, then Lorbek more than likely won't be signed.
Do nothing different other than Bonner and Blair.
So Tiago has a subpar postseason and he gets the axe? While Matt Bonner has strung together a 4-peat of Biggest Playoff Choker Awards?
I'm not ready to give up on the best backup C in the league after one bad series where the entire bench not named Jack didn't show up. Especially with your Hall of Fame center getting older.
Bonner has to go. And we need toughness and athleticism in the frontcourt. Although he's a headcase, I'd love Josh Smith as a Spur - Pop and Tim might be able to mould that talent of his into something special. If we could nab him for a package involving Splitter, then I'd do it. Hate to see Jax go though - he's the only tough mofo on the team and thrives as a Spur.
Beyond that, my brain is too fried right now. Will think about this stuff in a month.
Bring in Lorbek, De Colo and Richards.
Resign Jax, Diaw, Green and Mills.
Trade Bonner, Blair and maybe Splitter.
I'm probably going to pick up a show or two, take a vacation to the beach, and probably go to a couple games of the other sports teams in this town.
No way I'm trading Jackson. This series versus the Thunder shows how effective and clutch he was and still is. The Spurs didn't go through all that trouble to reclaim him in a trade, just to give up on him again. There's no doubt he comes back.
I like Neal too, but not as a backup PG. This guy is a terrific shooter, who needs to focus on just that - shooting. That said, if a team wants him bad enough, they'll have to take Bonner's weak-minded ass as part of the package. If such a trade can be pulled off and should the Spurs secure a #1 pick, they can get a replacement big in the draft. More on that later.
Agree here on Duncan. However, I do not cosign the idea of bringing in Erzam Lorbek right now. The last thing this team needs in another soft Euro. They need an ass-kicking, defensive-minded rookie PF/C-type out of college. Again, more on that later. I do believe they should do what's necessary to sign De Colo, as a backup PG. His arrival would offset the potential loss of Neal as a backup PG. I'd also be ok with Mills as the primary backup PG.
I don't like the idea of giving up on this early on Splitter. He's only completed his second year. If you're not keeping either Bonner or Blair - and there's no reason in the world they should, then Splitter should be retained. However, if Splitter could bring the Spurs a #1 pick, I would consider it. In the meantime, Splitter needs to continue getting tougher and more consistent. However, it's not the time to kick him to the curb - yet.
Green as a backup SF is a terrible idea. He's not big enough or strong enough. Besides, why create another hole at a position of current strength? As long as Jackson is retained, I believe he will and should, Green returns as the starter at the 2 spot. Jackson and Leonard can and should continue to fill the SF role very nicely.
If the Spurs can offer up any acceptable package that includes either Blair, Bonner or Neal or a combination of all, in order to get a first-round pick, I'm in. I cannot see Bonner bringing back much of anything of value by himself.
If a 1st round pick can be obtained via trade, I'm with you on the possible selection of Arnett Moultrie. He has excellent size, length and explosive athleticism. I liked what I've been reading about his draft profile. He can play a combo forward (back to the basket or face up) role and has a relentless motor. If not Moutrie, then Henry Sims should be the next draft target. Besides, the Spurs have already worked him out and he just seems like the perfect talent and personality fit for the Spurs program.
As for a potential free agent big, my primary target is Javelle McGee. Don't laugh. This is a talented young kid, who was languishing on a bad team (Wizards). We saw what he did in a half-season in Denver. He was much improved and more committed. He just needed some structure and coaching. He'll get plenty of that in San Antonio. Of course, Pop would have to tame his wild side and exhibit some patience with him, but the kid has a high motor, great athleticism and accepts coaching. He's a player who definitely wants to get better and would be an instant game-changer for the Spurs on their backline.
Between the possible free-agent addition of McGee and the drafting of a player like either Moultrie or Sims, the Spurs would be adequately equipped to improve their rebounding, defense, and will then be able to match the frontline athleticism of a team like OKC in the coming years.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 06-07-2012 at 01:05 AM.
As I alluded to, I wouldn't be looking to trade him. But there's no denying that his big expiring contract is one of their main trade chips and if it contributes to netting them a guy like Smith, then it's a no brainer.
Going a full season with Neal in that role would be tough. It's not conducive to keep Ginobili's minutes down or expanding his minutes with Duncan and Parker, either. This is also why moving someone in the perimeter rotation wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Maybe Neal is ultimately the guy who goes though. Like I said, he is due a big raise a year from now and between Mills and De Colo, they may figure they've got backup point covered. Or maybe Green get's overpaid in free agency and he's the guy, who knows.
If they can sign him, they should. He's 6-10 or 11, experienced, skilled and can score inside and out. As far as having him in the rotation, as I said, that would depend on what else they do with the big rotation. But if he were in it, it would be (in my scenario, at least) because Splitter and Bonner are gone, so it wouldn't really be bringing in more of the same; it would be replacing some of the same.Agree here on Duncan. However, I do not cosign the idea of bringing in Erzam Lorbek right now. The last thing this team needs in another soft Euro. They need an ass-kicking, defensive-minded rookie PF/C-type out of college. Again, more on that later. I do believe they should do what's necessary to sign De Colo, as a backup PG. His arrival would offset the potential loss of Neal as a backup PG. I'd also be ok with Mills as the primary backup PG.
It's not really giving up on him. As I alluded to, it's the Hill scenario all over again, only this time it's with a center, as opposed to a combo guard. He could easily bring the Spurs a #1 pick. In fact, he could bring them a lottery pick. Think about it, if Hill is worth the 15th pick and a solid prospect, then what's an in his prime, inexpensive (for another season) center worth? How many players "get tougher"? It's one of those things, you either have it or you don't. You either care to the extent the big three and Jackson do, or you don't.I don't like the idea of giving up on this early on Splitter. He's only completed his second year. If you're not keeping either Bonner or Blair - and there's no reason in the world they should, then Splitter should be retained. However, if Splitter could bring the Spurs a #1 pick, I would consider it. In the meantime, Splitter needs to continue getting tougher and more consistent. However, it's not the time to kick him to the curb - yet.
I don't like it either. They've worked hard to get younger, bigger and more athletic on the wings. I don't see them going this route. Even if they moved Jackson in a Smith trade, they'd probably trade Neal anyway. Who knows, maybe he'd be the other piece and not the future 1st.Green as a backup SF is a terrible idea. He's not big enough or strong enough. Besides, why create another hole at a position of current strength? As long as Jackson is retained, I believe he will and should, Green returns as the starter at the 2 spot. Jackson and Leonard can and should continue to fill the SF role very nicely.
Blair and maybe Neal, could get them late 1st round picks. Bonner wouldn't bring back value by himself, but he's definitely movable. Stretch four's are all the rage and for a lot of teams that aren't in a position to contend, him not being able to perform under pressure wouldn't be a big deal.If the Spurs can offer up any acceptable package that includes either Blair, Bonner or Neal or a combination of all, in order to get a first-round pick, I'm in. I cannot see Bonner bringing back much of anything of value by himself.
If a 1st round pick can be obtained via trade, I'm with you on the possible selection of Arnett Moultrie. He has excellent size, length and explosive athleticism. I liked what I've been reading about his draft profile. He can play a combo forward (back to the basket or face up) role and has a relentless motor. If not Moutrie, then Henry Sims should be the next draft target. Besides, the Spurs have already worked him out and he just seems like the perfect talent and personality fit for the Spurs program.
As for a potential free agent big, my primary target is Javelle McGee. Don't laugh. This is a talented young kid, who was languishing on a bad team (Wizards). We saw what he did in a half-season in Denver. He was much improved and more committed. He just needed some structure and coaching. He'll get plenty of that in San Antonio. Of course, Pop would have to tame his wild side and exhibit some patience with him, but the kid has a high motor, great athleticism and accepts coaching. He's a player who definitely wants to get better and would be an instant game-changer for the Spurs on their backline.
Between the possible free-agent addition of McGee and the drafting of a player like either Moultrie or Sims, the Spurs would be adequately equipped to improve their rebounding, defense, and will then be able to match the frontline athleticism of a team like OKC in the coming years.
Yeah, Moultrie sounds intriguing. Sims is not projected to go anywhere near that range, so that would be a waste. Perry Jones has the highest upside of the bunch, but Zeller would be the best immediate fit.
McGee is restricted and unless someone offers him an insane amount (as in, the max or close to it), you can bet the Nuggets will match. They didn't trade Nene to lose McGee a few months later. If they doled out a big contract to a player (Chandler) at a position they've already got covered, you can bet they're willing to for a young, freakishly athletic center.
Hard to say what Jax market value is, but I would hate to see him go. I'll admit I'm a fan so there's nothing objective about it. But considering how huge he stepped up, I just don't want to see him go. To me he should have always been a Spur and now that we've got him back I think it would be horrible to get rid of him again so soon.
I think his at ude is very much needed in that locker room. Pop and RC like to acquire nice (read: soft) players, but when the chips are down Pop has no patience for soft players. Jackson if anything could help mentor younger players. Yes, I'm actually serious.
I guess I should've clarified my position on Sims. I know he's projected as a possible late 2nd round pick. I meant that he would make sense if the Spurs couldn't make a trade to get up into the first round of the draft. Outside Moultrie and possibly Meyers Leonard (whom I'm not real crazy about), I don't see another potential target that is worth moving up for. As for Zeller, he's got the size, but the book on him is he's "not the toughest guy down low, and struggles with defensive rebounding and physical play inside on both ends he gets pushed around too much." I'd worry about him at the next level. Frankly the Spurs have enough soft-s reserve bigs, who lack physicality. I'm afraid this guy would be a step back.
McGee was a long shot dream at best.
As for Josh Smith signing, he's too expensive, shoots too many 3's and isn't as good enough of an on-the-ball defender for his freakishly athletic skill. Of course, he's been playing for that Atlanta outfit all of his career. That alone would explain the holes in his game.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 06-07-2012 at 01:58 AM.
Spurs don't need a major overhaul- get better on D and hope your young guns got some valuable experience... One target- Chris Kaman- and talk Timmy into a major pay cut!
The spurs should go after Anderson Varejao this offseason.
If I'm RC, I'm pacing by the phone waiting for the Cleveland offices to open up to trade for Varejao.
This team is 3 good defensive players from hoisting the trophy in 2013. Maybe two.
They need Leonard to improve his offensive game to the point where plays can be run for him.
They need a backup point guard. De Colo? Maybe. TJ Ford's absence ended up being gigantic.
What would the asking price for Varejao be? And why does Cleveland want to trade him?
No idea and he's a veteran stud on a bad lottery team taking minutes of future developing players.
can't plan for till the olympics are over
Josh Smith is a damn perfect fit and that would make this team completely unstoppable, even with all the Thunder growth expected etc.. But trading for him is also impossible with such a deal, I can't see Atlanta making such a deal because they can simply get much more..
Varejao too would be awesome honestly. Great fit, tough, and a high energy player.
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