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They need at least one good defensive big man so Duncan can rest in the season and the defense doesn't get worse than it already is..
, if need be, copy and duplicate what Boston does...
Yeah.. I've ran the numbers a few times and it does seem unrealistic.
Didn't mean to imply that I'm giving up on him. However, personality wise, I would rather add more Jackson's than Splitter's.So Tiago has a subpar postseason and he gets the axe? While Matt Bonner has strung together a 4-peat of Biggest Playoff Choker Awards?
I'm not ready to give up on the best backup C in the league after one bad series where the entire bench not named Jack didn't show up. Especially with your Hall of Fame center getting older.
Basically, we need toughness and at ude on this team. Its too obvious that were soft. I don't think we need to discuss Bonner at all - he should be on the way out.
That said, I would prefer to keep Splitter. When things settle down a bit, him and Leonard are two guys I'd expect to make improvements for next season.
They need at least one good defensive big man so Duncan can rest in the season and the defense doesn't get worse than it already is..
, if need be, copy and duplicate what Boston does...
A lot of you guys are trying to turn in to gold. Thinking any of our role players net a late-lotto/mid first pick by themselves is ridiculous.
Meyers Leonard is a perfect fit for us, but likely goes in the 10-12 range and we have no chance of trading up that high. Blocks shots, rebounds, has a mid range jumper and is a legit 7'. Again, no chance we trade up for him unless he somehow falls to the 16-18 range, and even that is probably a reach.
As for trading up in the draft, I think our best shot is going for Kyle O'Quinn (who the Spurs are working out according to Bruno). Won MVP at Portsmouth, has a big 7'5" wingspan and is a good shot blocker looking at the stats. Projected mid-second on draft express, if you want a shot blocker he's probably as good as we can get.
I also love the idea of Bernard James if we can get him with our 2nd rounded, probably goes before that though. He seems like a great fit for the Spurs.
Where we really need to improve is a better backup point guard and putting someone next to Duncan. I look at the free agent list and two names pop up, Andre Miller and Marcus Camby, 36 and 38 respectively. I have no idea how much they will command or if they might retire, but I think we should take a serious look to see if we could afford them.
I imagine Diaw will take the full MLE at 5m so after we resign he, Duncan, match Greens qualifying offer and exercise options on Blair, Neal and (hopefully) Mills, we pretty much only have the Bi Annual exception left which I believe is 1.9m. If thats enough for Miller we should give it to him and trade any combination of Neal/Blair/Splitter for a big in the draft if we see anyone we like. 1.9m likely won't be enough for Miller, so we'll probably have to give backup minutes to Mills and see what he can do or look for next years TJ Ford.
We should also amnesty Bonner if Duncan plans on playing past 12-13. The ability to give Duncan $3m more next year and thus pay him $3m less the following year could be vital to us securing a decent free agent in 2013.
Edit: Just to say I still love Neal, but we we have 3 quality 2 guards and he is worse defensively than Green, not to mention 3 years older. He also probably has the highest value so if we trade someone, it has to be him.
Last edited by Richie; 06-07-2012 at 04:27 AM.
I don't agree about trading Splitter, especially for a guy like Smith.
Smith is an expiring. It means that if we take him and after 1 year he doesn't get the contract he thinks he deserves (and look, he will probably get a huge new contract), he walks. I don't want to be like the Nets seriously. Be in some player's hands begging them to re-sign.
Honestly, we missed a backup PG badly in this series. Once Green started to struggle and Manu had to start, our 2nd unit became pathetic.
Other than re-sign TD and Diaw, our main priority should be signing a good a reliable backup PG.
Bring back the Big 3 + Jackson, Leonard, Diaw, and Mills. I'm hesitant to let go of Green. I think with the added experience, summer, and training camp, he'll come back better next year. Not a must-keep player, but I wouldn't complain if he returned.
IMO, Neal has got to go. If we want to compete again with the Thunder next year, we're going to need someone multi-faceted, someone who can knock down threes but also make opposing players have to work on offense. Ideally, Green would fit that mold next year.
Spurs need to add a physical big, preferably one that can hit the 15-footer, someone like Brandon Bass.
Re-sign Timmy for whatever he wants. I'm hoping he'll take a pay cut. But if he doesn't I'm fine with it
Re-sign Diaw. He was good to amazing sometimes. He did not have a good series against the Thunder but he fits with the system. 3 years 10 milions seems right to me. Don't know if he'd want more though.
Re-sign Green. I don't know what he'll want. But I hope he remember spurs saved his career and don't get y. If he asks for a lot do a sign-and-trade for a 1st rounder.
Trade Blair if there's a good oportunity. I wouldn't mind having Blair coming off the bench next season. Definitely not as a starter. If there's a team that wants him and is willing to give a 1st rounder, do it.
Neal. I'm not sure what to do with him. If Green stays for a reasonable amount of money I'd trade Neal paired with Blair for a good back-up point guard, a big or a 1st-rounder. If Green decides to walk, then keep him. But my priority would be Green over Neal.
Amnesty, Trade or throw of a cliff Bonner. I don't want to see that chucker in a spurs uniform ever again.
I'm not giving up on Splitter for just a bad series against the Thunder. He needs to be less soft and vaginal, but I'd not trade him. Only if a top-10 draft pick is in range.
Let Anderson walk
A team core of Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Leonard, Jackson, Diaw, Splitter, Green, Neal is all I want next year.
I'm not sure what to think about Manu. He is injured every season and inconsistent. I know he had a few good games in the past (2005) and is a fan favorite, but really? Getting paid 13 million to score 10 points? The way Jax played this series is the way I wanted everyone to play.
Time to blow it up. We've been saying for years, lets just make one last run. How many one last runs can a team have? Do not care who is around next year. I like Duncan, Diaw, Leonard, Jackson, that's about it.
Manu is always injured, tony choked two years in a row in the playoffs, splitter is total garbage, bonner is awful, neal stunk it up this year, green choked when it mattered, blair is to small. Get rid of all of them.
Oh yeah and get rid of the coach to. It just really is time to start fresh.
we can tinker the roster as much as we want, IMO there is only one key question: a quality big man, who is the obvious #2 big alongside Duncan, or even better, he is the new #1 big with Duncan our #2. Diaw was a great acquisition and he should absolutely be re signed, but IMO he would be the perfect #3 in a big rotation, where he still gets 25MPG.
I have no realistic idea how to get this player, but we can assume it would only work via trade.
questions about back up PG or the starting 2 are secondary compared to the big man issue.
Funny how we've been waiting 10 years to sign this mythical big man to play alongside tim
Trade Jackson? I think not. We need to build on his toughness, not trade it away. Although I'd like to see Jackson on a contender.
Splitter's not going to get a fair shake under Pop. Might as well trade him.
Spurs are a money ball team built on aging stars. They will again win 50+ games and maybe win some in the playoffs, but our best players have regressed to the point that they can't impose their will on the best teams for four out of seven.
Money ball teams will only ensure that we remain a good but not great team. To get the players we need, we need to be in the lottery, but we won't be there for a while with this team.
Solution: one more year and then we must tank for Jabari Parker, the next available rookie superstar.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabari_Parker#section_3
You're not allowed to say things like that around here.
Pop needs to rethink his current philosophy. The ability to score and play faster is one thing. Obviously, the game is built upon the ability to put the ball in the basket. However, at some point, you have to be able to get stops.
OKC, while considerably younger, has proven that you can do both.
Pop needs to return to his defensive priniciples by investing in a couple of young players who can help the Spurs recapture their defensive intensity. Leonard and Green are good additions to the perimeter. The backline support around Duncan is truly a problem area.
I don't care what they do. Just get rid of Bonner.
Splitter might get us there. I'd be willing to bet there's some GM that looks at him and sees a starting center that isn't a project.
If we could get a guy with a higher ceiling in return, it might be worth a shot.
Bonner is the only one that HAS to go because he's a proven playoff choker.
Green choked in this series but I wouldn't give up on him yet. A full season playing with Jax and he'll toughen up.
The best option for a quality big next year is to send Splitter to the weight room starting now. If Splitter and Diaw got serious about getting in shape this off season we have another shot.
I'm on the fence about Neal. He can be clutch but his defense is and always will be awful.
Whenever 37 year-old Derek Fisher takes you off the dribble, you know you're a bad defensive player.
Out of curiosity, what is the absolute minimum Duncan could sign for per year?
The vet minimum is like $1m or something, but that doesn't help us. Even if he took that, we wouldn't have any cap space to sign anyone so it really makes no difference.
Hopefully we can pay him $13m+ next year and have him take something like $7m the year after when we will have a lot of cap space, averaging out at $20m/2years for his final 2.
The veteran minimum for 2011 for a 10+ year vet was $1,352,181.
I think Tim will get the $20 Million over 2 years for his final contract with the spurs.
Thanks!
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