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    Splitter went from fair to stunningly terrible in the playoffs. I guess you have to pin it all on Pop, but damn, Splitter was just bad.

    I just said he won't ever play with Duncan if he doesn't develop the jumper.

    I agree with you for once. Wasn't all Pop's fault-but to be fair-we have all seen other players suck worse yet Pop continued to practice patience with those players.

    Somehow Pop had to be persuaded to even play Splitter-and for awhile Splitter forced Pop to play him due to his great play in his designated role-yet at the first sign of Splitter struggling Pop was ready to make him a scapegoat.

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    Somehow Pop had to be persuaded to even play Splitter-and for awhile Splitter forced Pop to play him due to his great play in his designated role
    A myth, really.

    Splitter's minutes went down every month from December on.

    Unless you are saying his great play forced Pop to play him less....

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    Also, I think Tiago needs to be on the table. I am about as big of a Tiago fan as you will find, but I don't see him flourishing here. He definitely has the tools to flourish in the NBA, but I am not sure if that is here and I am not sure the time is now.

    With his age and those factors in mind, if a team is pretty high on him and it can net you a solid draft pick I think the Spurs should listen (even if that means taking a step back from a contention standpoint in the next two years- but he was used sparingly anyways and the Spurs still got to the WCF.)
    Agree. If the Spurs can net a 1st round pick in this years draft they should move Splitter.

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    IF the Spurs could get a good 1st round player they like for Splitter, I think it should be done. Anything can happen, but my feeling is that Splitter and Pop don't work well together. I think that's obvious at this point. As Bruno mentioned his contract is coming up down the line. IF there's interest I think he has to be moved.

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    A myth, really.

    Splitter's minutes went down every month from December on.

    Unless you are saying his great play forced Pop to play him less....

    Well his minutes and what he was contributing are two different things. Splitter was learning his role and when Timmy rested the game didn't go to . Of course the Spurs are leagues better with TD on the court but Splitter was adequate for relief.

    Pairing them together was never given a real chance. Any other coach would have made that a priority.

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    I think they need to hold onto Splitter and look to re-sign him at the end of his current contract. Duncan found the fountain of youth during that amazing stretch, but I honestly don't know if he has more than a year left of high-mpg basketball. After next year, Splitter would be a natural fit to take the starting center role.
    If Splitter is the starting center expect to be lottery bound.

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    If the Thunder blows it in the Finals, is the window still cracked?

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    Regarding Duncan...considering the Spurs just got back door swept for not having enough talent to compete, WHY would he want to come back unless the Spurs improve the team to really try and compete for a le again. I don't see how the team can improve if he's getting a lion share of the money.

    If he wants a big contract, YES, he deserves it but it will almost automatically ensure nothing more than a swan song farewell season, which to be honest, would mean an inferior team and be a bunch of PR advertising ploys to get people to buy tickets, and he probably couldn't give a crap about that sort of scenario.

    In my mind Tim wants to win first. I think he takes a low contract or considers retirement. I don't think retirement is more than 20% of a possibility but I'd imagine, as the cerebral person/player that he is, that he must be looking hard at the realities of what his chances are and what next season will be like.

    Maybe he just wants to play and see what happens, but he seems like a player who only wants to play to win. Should be interesting. A lot of decisions for the FO to make as the draft looms near...

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    Well his minutes and what he was contributing are two different things. Splitter was learning his role and when Timmy rested the game didn't go to . Of course the Spurs are leagues better with TD on the court but Splitter was adequate for relief.

    Pairing them together was never given a real chance. Any other coach would have made that a priority.
    Untrue. Never happened with Gortat and Howard, for example.

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    Untrue. Never happened with Gortat and Howard, for example.

    OK if you have to be right you win.

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    Tim Duncan
    All in all, great season. The Spurs should hand him a blank contract and tell him to fill it out.

    Manu Ginobili
    Per-minute production-wise, Ginobili had a very good season. He still showed the ability to come up big in big games. Unfortunately, for the first time ever, he wasn't much of a positive difference-maker in the playoffs. That said, it's great to have him coming back another season.

    Tony Parker
    Memorable season. Played some of his best basketball ever. He needed to have one of the best postseason runs in NBA history for a point guard for the Spurs to win a championship. Didn't happen.

    Stephen Jackson
    He's obviously slowed down since 2003 but he still has his way with pressure and is a great teammate. It'll be a blast to root for him all of next season.

    Kawhi Leonard
    What a great rookie season. Simply amazing. Defense was really good in the playoffs. Offensively he proved to be a pressure shooter with budding all-around skills. It was a pleasure to watch him grow this season.

    Tiago Splitter
    I'm still pretty high on him. Yeah, he became a free throw liability once the pressure rose in the playoffs. Yeah, some flaws were outed by the Thunder (namely an inability to postup smaller players). Yeah, his defense fell off a cliff in the playoffs. All that said, considering it was basically his rookie season and considering how well he played at points this season, it's way, way too early to give up on him. Bring him back and try to iron out the kinks.

    Danny Green
    Bad ending but I like him as a player. He shot damn well for a long stretch of time. The Spurs should bring him back for his shooting ability alone. He shot blanks in the WCF but slumps happen to the best of shooters. Add in the fact that he's a capable of defender with some rough playmaking ability and there's a chance he turns into a top 20 shooting guard. Anything less than $2.5 million per year for him would be a major bargain.

    Boris Diaw
    I was pretty damn high on him until the Thunder series. Then OKC gave a blueprint on how to defend Diaw: Ignore him. If you don't defend him, he still won't shoot and you can defend 5-on-4 to close up his passing lanes. Maybe a full season with the Spurs would have helped him but I'm wary. He strikes me more as a rich-man Bonner than a playoff warrior you want to go to battle with. Then again, when it comes to stretch fours in the NBA, the pickings are slim. If you can re-sign Diaw for a reasonable rate, you probably gotta do it. But anything north of $3.5 million per season would make me think twice.

    Gary Neal
    His cheap salary makes it obvious that he needs to be brought back next season. That said, I don't know where he fits. The Spurs need to look for a real backup point guard. Neal can be the third point guard. What makes the most sense is to make him the third point guard and third shooting guard ... but he's probably too good for the role. If a team starved for shooting wants him in a trade, I'd listen.

    DeJuan Blair
    Blair, like Neal, is a no-brainer to bring back at his salary. He's not a very good fit on the roster but he's a guy who can eat a lot of regular season minutes at a reasonable level. In fact, putting him in the starting lineup for a stretch is a good way to keep stress off of Duncan's knees because Blair can assume the low post scoring role. Also like Neal, if a team calls inquiring about him in a trade, you don't hang up the phone.

    Patrick Mills
    If he wants to come back for his player option (which would pay him the minimum), that's a good contract for the Spurs. Is he good enough to be the full-time backup point guard? I'm not convinced but there's a definitely a chance. In fact, if both he and Neal return, I think Mills should be the backup point guard. If Mills wants to leave to try to score a better contract and opt out, I wish him well.

    James Anderson
    Goodbye.

    Matt Bonner
    The number one priority of the offseason should be to get this guy off the team. He's the most dangerous type player: Bonner is good enough in the regular season to earn a consistent role, however HE CHOKES LIKE GOT DAMN CLOCKWORK IN THE PLAYOFFS. By any means necessary, Pop needs to get rid of this bad habit.



    Pretty much my thoughts exactly, only if i had to put it on paper it with be very bitterly angry, one thing needs to be said this team is one quality 7 footer away from a championship caliber team to say it in Pop's fashion...

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    OK if you have to be right you win.
    I don't have to be right. In this case, you were just wrong.

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    I don't have to be right. In this case, you were just wrong.

    OK you were right I was wrong.

    Pop gave him a fair chance -Splitter just plain sucks. Hope another team even wants him.

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    OK you were right I was wrong.

    Pop gave him a fair chance -Splitter just plain sucks. Hope another team even wants him.
    Straw man.

    I think I know where this is headed.

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    Straw man.

    I think I know where this is headed.
    No one can ever be right when arguing with you so you win.

    You were right. I was wrong. End.

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    No one can ever be right when arguing with you so you win.

    You were right. I was wrong. End.
    Is this how you handle being wrong on a single point in real life?

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    Is this how you handle being wrong on a single point in real life?

    What difference does it make?

    You win.

    You were right.

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    What difference does it make?
    It would be funny were it true.

    You win.
    There's nothing to win.

    You were right.
    No reason for you to cry.

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    Chump is right, Splitter regressed terribly in the playoffs, the whole "hack a splitter" thing affected his confidence or something. It would be silly to rely on a guy for heavy rotation minutes when you can't count on him come fourth quarter because of his ft shooting.

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    Silverblk - Chump is just saying that it's not always as clear as it seems to play your most talented players together (hence the Gortat/Dwight).

    The difference in that scenario obviously though is with Dwight in his prime and a defensive/rebounding beast, you didn't have to force anything that might not be a natural fit (Dwight could also play tons of minutes without tiring or injury until this year).

    With Tim's situation and the Spurs trying to win with what they had however, Tiago & Tim should have gotten more time together simply for the potential that was there. Not a guarantee it would work and the small sample size showed mixed results, but, it's not always natural to put your best guys together.

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    The Spurs need two things:

    1) A young center

    2) A backup point guard

    I think we already have #2 in Mills. We still need #1. Splitter should be kept, but Blair and Bonner should be traded or let go.

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    Silverblk - Chump is just saying that it's not always as clear as it seems to play your most talented players together (hence the Gortat/Dwight).

    The difference in that scenario obviously though is with Dwight in his prime and a defensive/rebounding beast, you didn't have to force anything that might not be a natural fit (Dwight could also play tons of minutes without tiring or injury until this year).

    With Tim's situation and the Spurs trying to win with what they had however, Tiago & Tim should have gotten more time together simply for the potential that was there. Not a guarantee it would work and the small sample size showed mixed results, but, it's not always natural to put your best guys together.

    I understood all that. Hence why he is right.

    We won't ever know if the pairing would have worked and I sincerely do hope that Splitter plays elsewhere.

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    I'm saying it now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manu hang it up. Think about it, he has been leveled by injuries for 4 years now. It's pretty clear the Spurs will not win another le in the Tim Duncan era. This was our legitimate last shot. Everyone can roll their eyes, I get it. But you can't discount the fact that Tim is 36 and will be 37 come playoff time next year. Manu will be 35 in a month. The media has buried us for years, now the end is a reality. I have no facts, I just have a gut feeling.

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    No matter what happens, don't trade Kawhi.

    Just don't.
    This. I know we have been excited about rookies in the past (e.g., Blair and Hill), but Leonard doesn't have any huge holes in his game and I can't wait to see him next season with a training camp and a year of experience under his belt.

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    I'm saying it now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manu hang it up. Think about it, he has been leveled by injuries for 4 years now. It's pretty clear the Spurs will not win another le in the Tim Duncan era. This was our legitimate last shot. Everyone can roll their eyes, I get it. But you can't discount the fact that Tim is 36 and will be 37 come playoff time next year. Manu will be 35 in a month. The media has buried us for years, now the end is a reality. I have no facts, I just have a gut feeling.
    The only way I could see Manu retiring in the next couple of seasons is if he blows out his knee or has a similar devastating kind of injury. I wonder if he has any interest in being an assistant coach (or if he'd be any good at it) after retiring.

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