Look at the publicity around just this ONE white on black HYG shooting.
You REALLY think Florida has had hundreds??????
Got DAMN you are one stupid mother er. You swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.
I'm sure the author looked it up.
Look at the publicity around just this ONE white on black HYG shooting.
You REALLY think Florida has had hundreds??????
Got DAMN you are one stupid mother er. You swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.
I'm sure you are ing stupid and the author intentionally didn't identify the race of the shooters so idiots like you would ASSume that it was whites getting away with killing blacks.
You're not assuming?
I'm sure you are ing stupid and the author intentionally didn't identify the race of the shooters so idiots like you would ASSume that it was whites getting away with killing blacks.
This is about white on black and black on white.
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So you must've thought that there was one instance of police brutality during the rodney king incident because of the publicity on that one report huh?
Look at the publicity around just this ONE white on black HYG shooting.
You REALLY think Florida has had hundreds??????
Got DAMN you are one stupid mother er. You swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.
I have and you are dumb is my conclusion. Carrying illegal firearms in FL is a 3rd degree felony.
Further:
http://www.justiceflorida.com/articles/selfdefense/Several Florida cases in which defendants claimed self-defense have been overturned on appeal because the trial judge incorrectly read to the jury what is sometimes referred to as a forcible-felony jury instruction. According to this particular jury instruction, a defendant may not claim that he acted in self-defense if he did so while "attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony."
As i said, you continue to be stupid and I am going to continue pointing it out.
IOW, carrying an illegal gun precludes the defense.
Damn you are stupid.
Don't believe me.
Google Forcible Felony.
. ing idiot.
He was not being forced to carry a handgun. Did Zimmerman even have a CCL? I really do not know. He would have been engaged in unlawful activity if he had been carrying the gun illegally to begin with.A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
Further, speculation of a crime does not mean evidence of a crime. Martin committed no known crime that night.
Now I realize that you have probably had a couple of drinks but the pejoratives without basis are pretty childish
Finally, i am still waiting for you to comment on the MMA witness, who is the only one who described Martin on top beating on Zimmerman, recanting his testimony. You made that comment about changing if evidence changed but you come across as drunk tbh.
I think we're losing sight of the fact that he was black.
Wrong.
Florida's Stand Your Ground law specifically states the defense does not apply if you are engaged in illegal activity.
From Florida 776.013:
I'm sorry, but possessing a weapon illegally is being "engaged in unlawful activity" and therefore is a disqualifier.(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
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or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
LOL....]
Followed the links, and here are some conclusions:
Race plays complex role in Florida's 'stand your ground' lawThe Times analysis found no obvious bias in how black defendants have been treated:
• Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.
• Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.
• In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.
• Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants — a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.
I should not matter.
How the NRA and Its Allies Helped Spread a Radical Gun Law Nationwide
The ulative effect of those cases has been staggering: Two years after Stand Your Ground passed in Florida, the number of "justifiable homicides" by civilians more than doubled, and it nearly tripled by 2011. FBI statistics show a similar national trend: Justifiable homicides doubled in states with Florida-style laws, while they remained flat or fell in states that lacked them. Jansen also notes that research has shown that, when it came to domestic-abuse cases, "the only thing Stand Your Ground did was blur the lines between who was the batterer and who was the victim."
He says the laws have been passed without legislators asking basic questions: What, exactly, makes a fear of imminent harm reasonable? Do the laws have a disparate negative effect on minorities or juveniles? And, perhaps the simplest question: "Is it worth losing a life over a car radio?"
That's happened, too. In Miami, a man was granted immunity in March for chasing down a burglar and stabbing him after the thief swung a bag of stolen car radios at him. He "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property," the judge ruled. A state attorney for Miami-Dade County disagreed: "She, in effect, is saying that it's appropriate to chase someone down with a knife to get property back."
Safety Off
Since 2005, Florida lawmakers have taken aim at gun control with a barrage of deregulation measures:
Requiring employers to let employees keep guns in their cars while at work
Requiring city and county governments to allow guns in public buildings and parks
Lifting a long-standing ban on guns in national forests and state parks
Allowing military personnel as young as 17 to get concealed-weapons licenses. (Age limit remains 21 for everyone else.)
Withholding the names of concealed-carry licensees in public records
Permitting concealed-carry licensees "to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person." (The original bill would have allowed guns on college campuses, but it was amended after a GOP lawmaker's friend's daughter was accidentally killed with an AK-47 at a frat party.)
Prohibiting doctors from asking patients if they keep guns or ammo in the house unless it's "relevant" to their care or safety. (Overturned by a federal judge.)
Allowing legislators, school board members, and county commissioners to carry concealed weapons at official meetings. (Didn't pass; another bill to let judges pack heat "at any time and in any place" died in 2009.)
Designating a day for tax-free gun purchases. (Didn't pass.)
Exempting guns manufactured in Florida from any federal regulations. (Didn't pass.)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nd-your-ground
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ed and un able America is ing nuts. American "civilization" (aka fat, dumb, and watching TV) is in obvious and permanent decline. There's no stopping it as the "Christian", gun nut, VRWC/1%/UCA grab weatlh and power and everybody else to .
I can't believe you are arguing this point. If it's a righteous shoot they aren't going to charge the shooter with murder.
Example:
Innocent woman driving down street. Bad guy jacks her at red light, takes her to deserted area and viciously beats her up then starts ripping her clothes off in preparation to rape her. As he is pulling his pants down she breaks away and somehow gets to her purse and pulls out a gun and shoots him. She doesn't have a concealed carry permit.
No prosecutor in their right mind would charge her with murder. They MIGHT charge her with carrying the gun illegally.
You're such an idiot CC.
I really don't give a what a stupid ass ignorant troll thinks.
Whatever. You think anybody who disagrees with you is a troll. Nothing wrong with being ignorant as long as you are willing to learn as I am. But in your case, I think you are too stupid to learn which makes you the stupid ass ignorant troll.
So in the example I gave, you maintain that the car jacked rape victim would be prosecuted for murder because she defended herself with a gun and didn't have a CHL?
Look who is calling who stupid!
I showed you the statute and worked out to the logical conclusion. You gave an hypothetical. Florida gun laws are stupid and not very well thought out is about all you have proven.So in the example I gave, you maintain that the car jacked rape victim would be prosecuted for murder because she defended herself with a gun and didn't have a CHL?
Look who is calling who stupid!
I'll give you an example of some case law:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-in-florida/A lot of attention has been paid to Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law and far too little to the state’s extreme gun sentencing laws. Less than a year ago, I told readers of this page about the outrageous case of Orville Lee Wollard, a lawful gun owner who fired a warning shot in his home to chase off a young man who had been abusing his teenage daughter. Wollard believed he had the right to protect his family so he rejected a plea offer. Unfortunately, a jury rejected Wollard’s self-defense claim and found him guilty of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill. A Florida judge was forced by the state’s mandatory gun sentencing law to send Wollard to prison for 20 years.
Particularly galling was the fact that just two weeks after Wollard was sentenced, the U.S. Supreme Court in erv. DistrictofColumbia affirmed the right of Americans to have a firearm “and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.” The ruling was cold comfort for the Wollard family.
Just when it seemed that Florida’s inflexible gun sentencing laws couldn’t produce a worse result, I learned last week of an upcoming sentencing in Florida that exceeds Wollard’s for sheer stupidity and rank injustice.
On Aug. 1, 2010, Marissa Alexander pointed her lawfully registered handgun into the ceiling and told her husband to leave the house. Ms. Alexander’s husband had just roughed her up and was threatening to kill her. She had every reason to believe he might make good on his threat. He had physically abused her in the past, one time sending her to the hospital.
On that August afternoon, however, Ms. Alexander’s husband violated a restraining order against him and came into her house, where he discovered what he considered su ious text messages on her phone. He flew into a rage and allegedly choked her and refused to let her leave the house, where her two stepsons were also present. After breaking free and making her way to the garage, Ms. Alexander realized she did not have her car keys, and couldn’t leave the house.
Ms. Alexander grabbed her handgun and re-entered her home to retrieve her keys. Her husband continued to threaten her and refused to leave despite her repeated requests. Finally, Ms. Alexander fired one shot from her handgun into the ceiling and her husband left. Ms. Alexander’s husband told investigators in a deposition that she never pointed the gun at him or her stepsons and that she probably fired the warning shot because, “I honestly think she just didn’t want me to put my hands on her anymore, so she did what she feel like she have to do to make sure she wouldn’t get hurt.”
Ms. Alexander’s husband later changed his story and said he feared that his wife was going to fatally shoot him right then and there. Ms. Alexander was arrested and charged with three counts of aggravated assault (one count related to her husband, and two more for her stepsons). Confident of her innocence, she rejected a plea bargain and went to trial. In a quick verdict that stunned those in the courtroom, the jury found Ms. Alexander guilty.
It’s not my place to second-guess their decision. Perhaps Ms. Alexander’s actions, like Wollard‘s, technically satisfied the elements for assault with a deadly weapon as soon as she fired her gun. But the jury did not know that she faced a mandatory 20-year sentence. Perhaps if they did, they would have felt like the judge who sentenced Wollard, who said, “This [sentence] is obviously excessive … if it weren’t for the mandatory minimum … I would use my discretion and impose some separate sentence, having taken into consideration the cir stances of the event.”
Ms. Alexander’s judge will have no discretion, either. Barring something extraordinary, Ms. Alexander will spend the next two decades in state prison, despite hurting no one. Florida’s 10-20-Life gun law, however well intentioned, must be reformed to give judges more discretion in cases like Ms. Alexander’s and Wollard‘s. Otherwise, the right of lawful, gun-owning individuals to protect themselves and their families from physical harm in their homes will be extinguished.
Have any case law to back up your claims or are you finally willing to admit that FL gun statutes are stupid?
None of your "case law" has a ing thing to do with stand your ground, or self defense.
Try again.
I am only pointing out the Stand Your ground law does not protect them in such a case. I believe Florida has two other self defense provisions laws outside of Stand your ground.
They looked at 200 shootings claiming Stand Your Ground with 36 not yet resolved. They only had 164 to go with. I'm sure there are other cases not included because they were not using the Stand Your ground provision, but those that only had it as a defense, are probably among the losing cases.
Oh my. Zimmerman's wife arrested for perjury
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...-arrested.html
I thought she was his "ex."
Pusher beat me to it. good lookin' out homeboy.
this zimmerman cat is a piece of work. his wife should divorce him after this bull . he doesn't care about her, all he cares about is his own ass. what husband would allow their wife to take the stand and lie, knowing it could lead to her facing jail time as well? he'll do anything to weasel his way out of this.
Not sure about that. Everything I have read is referring to her as his wife.
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