..does Obama deserve 4 more years?

[Nbadan]

Obama had such a bad week that he's at 50% approval in today's Gallup Tracking Poll!

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

[SA210]

[clambake]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

Oh, wait, that wasn't the question, was it?

No. Obama doesn't deserve 4 more years. I'm not certain I want him finishing the last 7 months. Perhaps he'll resign and let "Slow" Joe Biden bumble around until we can get adults back in the White House. At this point, however, I would settle for a LBJ moment when he announces to the country, "I will not seek and I will not accept my party's nomination for President of the United States."

It is absolutely delicious how the Clinton camp is abandoning Barry in the time of his greatest need.

Sure would be a great thread to start!

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!

[RandomGuy]

Are you really that daft?

What6 do you call being governor for 6 years?

What do you call being a commissioned officer in the military?

What do you call receiving a Masters in Business administration?

What executive experience did Obama have other than a Community Leader, and is that considered executive experience?

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

[RandomGuy]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

I might buy into that, if you would hold Bush accountable for the dead US soldiers' blood on his hands due to his and his administration's gross negligence/incompetence.

You aren't going to hold any Republican responsible for that are you?

[RandomGuy]

I'm an Obama supporter, but based on his track record I would say he does not deserve another four years. However, I don't believe Mitt Romney deserves a first four years. I'm not sure the country could withstand another four years of conservative rule. Another round of tax cuts and deregulation (especially of the financial sector) would be catastrophic.

My biggest beef with Obama has been his determination to compromise. He squandered two years of super majorities in Congress. The health care fiasco is the perfect example. We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to implement a single payer system, and they instead opted for a conservative plan, that Republicans went on to blast anyway. I realize it would have been extremely difficult (maybe impossible) to pass single payer, but that should have been where the debate started. Perhaps then the compromise would have been the public option, and not the Republican based plan we have now, which they still rail against.

On defense, I'm generally more of a hawk, and I approve of the expanded use of drones in the battle field. I am not a fan of Obama's continued use of Patriot Act policies that result in spying on citizens. The signing of the NDAA is one of his biggest sins in my eyes.

His determination to compromise hurt him on the stimulus package as well. Most economists say it was to small, and now we know that some of his advisers told him it was to small. There was to much focus on tax cuts in the package, and not enough infrastructure spending. Again, another opportunity was wasted, as we could have killed two birds with one stone by helping the economy and rebuild our decrepit infrastructure.

I haven't been happy with everything Obama has done, or the fact that he has morphed into Bush-lite. That does not mean I am willing to vote for a super Bush.

Bingo.

It isn't Romney so much I am worried about, although he is obviously willing to literally say anything or do anything to get elected, but the tea party s and other right-wing extremists driving the bus getting into a Republican administration.

We seem to be faced with a choice of right-lite or crazy-right.

THAT is why anyone who isn't crazy, should hold their nose, and keep people like Bachmann and Santorum as far as possible from cabinet posts and judgeships.

[Wild Cobra]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

Not My idol at all. I am only pointing out the fact, that Obama had effectively no executive experience, and bush did, before becoming president.

Do you disagree with that?

[Yonivore]

I might buy into that, if you would hold Bush accountable for the dead US soldiers' blood on his hands due to his and his administration's gross negligence/incompetence.

You aren't going to hold any Republican responsible for that are you?

While I disagree over your characterization of the Bush administration's culpability in the deaths of U.S. soldiers engaged in a legitimate military action, I find it interesting your holding Obama accountable for his crimes is contingent upon Bush being held accountable for what you perceive as his.

So, you'd be in favor of allowing one murderer to go free if another, you think deserves to be prosecuted, goes free?

Admitting Obama is a criminal is a start, I suppose.

[clambake]

obama should respond to his critics by saying "i don't care"

[Yonivore]

obama should respond to his critics by saying "i don't care"

I agree. It'd be the first honest thing he's said since becoming President.

[clambake]

yes, he should treat them and you like you're nothing.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree. It'd be the first honest thing he's said since becoming President.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I think he does care. I think he's pissed that he hasn't been able to destroy our economy yet.

[clambake]

lol

[clambake]

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!

[Wild Cobra]

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!

I see he's still on your mind. I completely forgot about him until you brought him up.

Maybe it's time for you to move on too.

[Yonivore]

yes, he should treat them and you like you're nothing.

He's already doing that so, there, you've got your wish.

[clambake]

He's already doing that so, there, you've got your wish.

i wouldn't waste a wish on something so petty.

[clambake]

I see he's still on your mind. I completely forgot about him until you brought him up.

Maybe it's time for you to move on too.

actually, you've managed to make me feel sorry for yoni.

[mouse]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

Raise the bar

[Darth_Pelican]

Of course he deserves 4 more years. He promised change, and has delivered.

[clambake]

lol

[Nbadan]

4 more years of this?

[TeyshaBlue]

No. 4 more years of this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1592593.html

[mouse]

Looks like Obama just picked up another million votes!

[Yonivore]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

It's not an appointed position, he had to seek and win election to office. , the only reason Obama became a Senator is because his opponent was a typical Chicago politician that liked to take his wife to BDSM clubs...or, something like that.

And, Ann Richards wasn't an unpopular Governor. , I even liked her.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

Not a fair characterization but, you won't be disabused of it.

Denigrating a whole segment of the population that volunteers for Reserve duty, particularly during a time when they are serving and dying alongside regular troops, in God-awful parts of the world, isn't persuasive.

At Height of Vietnam, Bush Picks Guard

But there was no chance Bush's unit would be ordered overseas. Bush says that toward the end of his training in 1970, he tried to volunteer for overseas duty, asking a commander to put his name on the list for a "Palace Alert" program, which dispatched qualified F-102 pilots in the Guard to the Europe and the Far East, occasionally to Vietnam, on three- to six-month assignments.

He was turned down on the spot. "I did [ask] – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.

Only pilots with extensive flying time – at the outset, 1,000 hours were required – were sent overseas under the voluntary program. The Air Force, moreover, was retiring the aging F-102s and had ordered all overseas F-102 units closed down as of June 30, 1970.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

What were Barack "Choom Gang" Obama's grades in college? Where are his transcripts?

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.

Back to the Post story linked above...

Four months before enlisting, Bush reported at Westover Air Force Base in Massachusetts to take the Air Force Officers Qualification Test. While scoring 25 percent for pilot ap ude – "about as low as you could get and be accepted," according to Martin – and 50 percent for navigator ap ude in his initial testing, he scored 95 percent on questions designed to reflect "officer quality," compared with a current-day average of 88 percent.

That is your idol?

Nope. But, compared to Barack Obama, he's more ideal.

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

I'm not sure what this means in the context of seeking a political office sought by the likes of John Kerry-Heinz, Al "Carbon Credits vice Tobacco" Gore, and John "Baby Daddy" Edwards; they were all wealthy. , even Barack Obama comes from some money.

What's your point?