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    If the House committee cites Holder for criminal contempt, it would open a process that requires the House speaker to schedule a floor vote. If passed by the full House, the matter would then move to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Ronald C. Machen Jr., who is an employee of the Justice Department.

    dog and pony show

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    a reminder of what the yelling over the ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation is really "about:"

    Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this affair is what [Rep. Darrell] Issa once suggested his investigation will uncover. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Issa claimed that the Obama administration “made a crisis” when they continued the Bush-era gunrunning operations because they wanted to “us[e] this crisis to somehow take away or limit people’s Second Amendment rights.” This accusation originates from a former militiaman who supports violent resistance to imagined government attempts to seize his guns. And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control.

    So at the most basic level, the effort to take down Holder isn't just a garden-variety gambit aimed at blaming a Cabinet member and an administration for a botched operation hatched by underlings as part of a "gunwalking" tactic developed during the Bush administration. It's part of the broader claim on the Right that Obama is secretly plotting to take away everybody's guns. There is zero, absolutely zero, evidence for any Obama "assault on the Second Amendment," which is precisely why people like Issa have to cook up a theory this crazy. Beneath all the talk is yet another sharp dog whistle to "the base."

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...t_dog_whistle/

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    I absolutely believe that the underlying motive of F&F was to justify strengthening gun laws and try to re-impose the assault rifle ban.

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    I absolutely believe that the underlying motive of F&F was to justify strengthening gun laws and try to re-impose the assault rifle ban.
    Yep, why let a good crisis go to waste, and when you don't have a crisis.... create one...

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    As always, the Repugs run a charade to hide their real motiviation.

    And of course, it's an election year, so they will do anything and everything, in typical bad faith, to harass and distract the Exec branch. That's a lot more fun than actually running Congress to solve problems and advance the country.

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    As always, the Repugs run a charade to hide their real motiviation.

    And of course, it's an election year, so they will do anything and everything, in typical bad faith, to harass and distract the Exec branch. That's a lot more fun than actually running Congress to solve problems and advance the country.
    Yeah, Holder lying to congress is really a charade. lol

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    Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder
    In 2006, during the presidency of George W. Bush, the Justice Department launched the first of a series of misguided “gunrunning” schemes that eventually led to the death of federal Agent Brian Terry. Rather than look to ways to prevent such a tragedy from happening again, however, House Oversight Chair Darrell Issa’s (R-CA) spent his tenure as a committee chair trying unsuccessfully to embarrass Attorney General Eric Holder.

    Next week, Issa plans to escalate this witchhunt by holding an committee vote on a resolution to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress. Here’s what you need to know about this vote:

    1. Issa Has No Case: Issa’s uncovered no evidence showing Holder bears any blame for the botched operations begun under George W. Bush, even though the Justice Department turned over thousands of pages of do ents concerning the operations. Instead of accepting this fact, Issa has requested many more do ents containing confidential information regarding ongoing law enforcement investigations, and is now threatening to hold Holder in contempt if these do ents are not turned over. Holder is entirely correct to withhold these do ents, however, because Justice Department do ents are not subject to congressional subpoena if they would reveal “strategies and procedures that could be used by individuals seeking to evade law enforcement efforts.”

    2. Reagan’s Justice Department Agreed With Holder: President Reagan’s Justice Department warned in the 1980s that the Cons ution’s separation of powers prevents the kind of do ents Issa is seeking from being revealed to Congress because of the risk that the legislature could “exert pressure or attempt to influence the prosecution of criminal cases.”

    Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...eneral-holder/

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    lol thinkprogress

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    Regardless of the extent to which F and F is anti-gun or not (and I tend to believe not),
    Holder is, imo, the worst Attorney General this Country has seen in decades.

    I consider myself a moderate independent and I believe that Holder is by far the worst appointment that Obama has made.

    He (Holder) seems to combine breathtaking arrogance with stunning ineffectiveness.

    What a combination.

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    lol conspiracies

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    Regardless of the extent to which F and F is anti-gun or not (and I tend to believe not),
    Holder is, imo, the worst Attorney General this Country has seen in decades.

    I consider myself a moderate independent and I believe that Holder is by far the worst appointment that Obama has made.

    He (Holder) seems to combine breathtaking arrogance with stunning ineffectiveness.

    What a combination.
    Agreed. Holder has turned the Justice Department into a political arm of the Executive branch.

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    alberto gonzales says hi

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    alberto gonzales says hi
    Holder has taken it to a whole new level.

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    sure, give al a pass.

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    Regardless of the extent to which F and F is anti-gun or not (and I tend to believe not),
    Holder is, imo, the worst Attorney General this Country has seen in decades.

    I consider myself a moderate independent and I believe that Holder is by far the worst appointment that Obama has made.

    He (Holder) seems to combine breathtaking arrogance with stunning ineffectiveness.

    What a combination.
    bull . Alberto Gonzalez was the worst. He now is commentator on Fox Repug network, where the bar is lowered to the gutter.

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    Issa Blasted Investigation Of Bush Attorney General As A ‘Political Witch Hunt”

    House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) continues to threaten Attorney General Eric Holder with a contempt of Congress citation should he not comply with Issa’s request for a wide-range of do ents relating to the Bush-administration-initiated “Fast and Furious” program. The Department of Justice has said releasing some of the do ents Issa is demanding could jeopardize ongoing criminal investigations.

    But, Issa has not always favored executive branch compliance with Congressional records requests. In 2007, Issa complained to the Press Enterprise of Riverside, CA that scrutiny into Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the firings of numerous U.s. Attorneys amounted to a “political witch hunt” by Democrats:

    “I see no evidence it (the attorneys’ firing) was political,” Issa, R-Vista, said by telephone between votes on the House floor. “They want to imply there was criminal behavior when there isn’t even a criminal allegation.” …

    Justice Department officials said the firings were based largely on performance issues, and released thousands of pages of e-mails and other do ents to substantiate the claim. Issa said releasing the do ents was a mistake on the part of the administration. U.S. attorneys are “at will” employees and can be let go without reason or public explanation.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...al-witch-hunt/

    witch hunts and deficits by Repugs, OK

    witch hunts and deficits by Dems, no!

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    Boutons can be so out there at times that he is freaking hilarious.

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    cowboy still giving al a pass.

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    lol thinkprogress

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    cowboy still giving al a pass.
    Clambake pulling out the old "well it's OK because someone else in the distant past did something wrong" justification.

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    Clambake pulling out the old "well it's OK because someone else in the distant past did something wrong" justification.
    i only submitted those lame post to attract equally lame post.

    success is mine!!!!

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    lol distant past.

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    i only submitted those lame post to attract equally lame post.

    success is mine!!!!



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    thank you! i didn't want my greatness to go unnoticed!

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