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    , I guess you CAN figure out the contributions after all.

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    Except that's impossible then for H2O to follow 1:1 with CO2 in temperature increases.

    If the 75:32 is correct, and a 1C rise from CO2 requires close to doubling CO2, and a total 2C increase would increase humidity by 13%...

    Don't you follow how your statement is far from accurate?

    Feedback in H2O simply cannot be 1:1 to CO2, and the ratio of 75:32 cannot both be correct.

    Don't take my word for it. Do the logarithmic forcing math. See for yourself.

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    Well those others were all from Space. Why bother with getting to Space to measure things (its very hard and complicated to get to space) when you can also measure the radiation coming down and determine what gas emitted it?

    https://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual200...per_100737.htm

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    Except that's impossible then for H2O to follow 1:1 with CO2 in temperature increases.

    If the 75:32 is correct, and a 1C rise from CO2 requires close to doubling CO2, and a total 2C increase would increase humidity by 13%...

    Don't you follow how your statement is far from accurate?

    Feedback in H2O simply cannot be 1:1 to CO2, and the ratio of 75:32 cannot both be correct.

    Don't take my word for it. Do the logarithmic forcing math. See for yourself.
    You still don't understand.

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    In the AGW denial game, it's really about politics of money and power, not about science, which is why these stupid threads are non-starters.

    eg, here's the retrograde assholes exposing their game

    Rooting For Failure: Republicans Bash Green Jobs, Clean Energy

    Republicans have bullied the clean energy industry for months, pointing to flimsy evidence for why the government should slash funding for the industry, even as Big Oil subsidies continue.

    On the heels of passing legislation that slashes clean energy funding 13 times, House Republicans are fulfilling the oil and coal industry’s wish list with next week’s Domestic Energy Production Act.

    Although clean energy creates hundreds of thousands of better paying jobs, Republicans looking to gain ground in an election year have disparaged these jobs as less valuable. Mitt Romney’s former economic adviser said as much: “I am buying that they’re rooting against the economy somewhat because they think that the short-term pain of, you know, the next four months is much better than having additional four years of pain under Obama.”

    Republicans have made green jobs a political target, at the behest of their oil and coal allies:

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said the 1603 tax credit reimbursement program is a “Solyndra-style stimulus program.” This program has created thousands of jobs, 5,000 projects, and helped the industry grow during tough times. “Listen, the American people continue to ask the question, ‘Where are the jobs?’ They deserve answers, and they deserve the truth.”

    House Oversight Chair Darrell Issa called green jobs “propaganda” in a recent staff report. Issa also recently released a video making fun of the BLS’s broad definition for green jobs, calling them “groovy.”

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): “This is the no-more-Solyndras amendment,” speaking on his amendment that would ban a loan guarantee program for renewables, even though the program itself has expired.

    Jordan labelled green investments wasted dollars: “The president said that we will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And he promised that our country would create millions of green jobs which would help us compete in the global economy. Over three years into this gamble, available evidence demonstrates these efforts have wasted vast sums of taxpayer money and have failed to achieve the stated goals.”

    Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) at a Feb. 19 news conference: ”There’s a fundamental difference in approach. And this is the challenge that faces us. The reason our economy is stagnant is because we haven’t let the free market work. The government keeps getting in the way. Now is the time to pick the Keystone economy over the Solyndra economy, to pick the American people over big government and to pick prosperity over stagnation.”

    Mitt Romney: [Obama] said he was going to create some 5 million green energy jobs. Have you seen those around here anywhere? No, as a matter of fact he’s gone after energy.

    Romney says the Chevy Volt, is an “idea whose time has not come,” saying, “I’m not sure America was ready for the Chevy Volt.”

    While Republicans call for a “free energy market” devoid of subsidies to clean energy, they continue to support hundred-year-old subsidies for oil and coal. Though the House GOP prefer to point to failures, clean energy is seeing historic levels of investment — reaching $257 billion worldwide — helped by public-private investments in the industry.

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-clean-energy/

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    @ logarithmic forcing math

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    That still doesn't make your claim valid.

    All it implies to me when you provide link after link instead of explaining in your own words, is that you don't understand. Now when you do put it in your own words, it's obvious why you use links. You don't understand the implications of what you think you know!

    Really now. Instead of making fun of me when I point out obvious mistakes in what you say, why can't you reassess what you said, correct it or explain it, and way "wooopps" if you were wrong.

    Are you standing by your contention that a 1 C increase by CO2 also creates another 1 C increase by increased water vapor?

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    You still don't understand.
    Prove it.

    Explain it. In your words, not by links.

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    Well those others were all from Space. Why bother with getting to Space to measure things (its very hard and complicated to get to space) when you can also measure the radiation coming down and determine what gas emitted it?

    https://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual200...per_100737.htm
    And this proves your contention of 1 C and another 1 C in post 735, how?

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    I'll address the subject of water vapor once again since its been brought up. I doubt that Yonivore is going to take anything I say and actually process it in but its a useful exercise for me in explaining these subjects anyway.

    Water vapor is definitely the strongest green house gas. Its effect is a little bit more than twice that of CO2. So of course, when someone hears this the intuitive thought is to think that CO2 can't be a huge culprit if a gas that we're not emitting causes more of a green house effect. That being said, water vapor is a feedback and is not a forcing.

    There are two main reasons for this. The first is residence time. The atmosphere is a fairly small reservoir when compared to the oceans and even fresh water sources. Residence time is on the order of 10 days.

    The second, is that water vapor content in the any given parcel of atmosphere is a function of temperature. How much WV a parcel is able to hold is determined by the temperature that parcel of air is at. When you go above that, you will have precipitation. This is why rain forms as air rises and cools. As the air cools it is no longer to maintain the same level of water vapor as it was when it was warmer and that excess water vapor condenses into precipitation (or at least clouds) and leaves the atmosphere. This is why water has such a low residence time in the atmosphere.

    These are the main differences with CO2. If we were emitting water vapor as opposed to CO2 the excess gas would simply leave the system as precipitation and would not buildup and cause a larger greenhouse effect. The saturation of air parcels prevents that from occurring. On the other hand, the mechanisms for taking CO2 of the atmosphere are not as simple as precipitation and the residence time in the atmosphere is much longer (years, not days). However, we're developing a surplus of CO2 in the atmosphere and thereby increasing that residence time by causing "bottlenecks" in the system. This is why CO2 is rising. The system is unable to process the CO2 we put into the atmosphere and it will now wait longer before it is moved through the cycle. This is not the way the water cycle works as I explained above.

    A big part of what makes CO2 warming harmful, is that as CO2 increases the temperature of the air it also increases the amount of water vapor the atmosphere is able to hold which then itself adds to the warming. That is what is meant by a feedback. For every degree of Celsius of warming caused by CO2, you can expect another degree to be caused by the water vapor feedback mechanism.

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    And this proves your contention of 1 C and another 1 C in post 735, how?
    I understand if you don't realize which of your stupid posts I'm addressing since you make so many stupid posts.

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    For every degree of Celsius of warming caused by CO2, you can expect another degree to be caused by the water vapor feedback mechanism.
    I say bull to this. Please support this contention.

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    That still doesn't make your claim valid.

    All it implies to me when you provide link after link instead of explaining in your own words, is that you don't understand. Now when you do put it in your own words, it's obvious why you use links. You don't understand the implications of what you think you know!

    Really now. Instead of making fun of me when I point out obvious mistakes in what you say, why can't you reassess what you said, correct it or explain it, and way "wooopps" if you were wrong.

    Are you standing by your contention that a 1 C increase by CO2 also creates another 1 C increase by increased water vapor?
    Prove it.

    Explain it. In your words, not by links.
    Reading abstracts is too hard for WC.
    Needs a parts manual to have things explained to him
    Napkin Logarithmic Forcing Math
    Solubility Charts
    Arguing for stronger H20 Feedback and not even realizing it.

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    Hey Manny...

    Are you working on your batchelors or your masters?

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    Reading abstracts is too hard for WC.
    I seldom bother any more unless you quote a passage for me to find. I think is rather de able tactic to throw out so much information, especially when often, it doesn't apply.

    Give me a quote in the link you want me to see, and I will read it.

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    Reading abstracts is too hard for WC.
    Needs a parts manual to have things explained to him
    Napkin Logarithmic Forcing Math
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    Arguing for stronger H20 Feedback and not even realizing it.
    Any wise person does not believe you allegations unless you are willing to back it up.

    Talk is cheap. Prove it.

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    Manny, I saw this article and thought of you...might interest you...

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-grad...070045929.html

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    I seldom bother any more unless you quote a passage for me to find. I think is rather de able tactic to throw out so much information, especially when often, it doesn't apply.

    Give me a quote in the link you want me to see, and I will read it.
    Reading is hard. I don't want to strain you so you don't have to bother.

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    Is it too much to ask for a partial quote?
    I did a quick scan, didn't see it support your 1:1 contention. Did I miss it?

    Quote please.

    I'm not disagreeing with the effect water vapor has. I;'m disagreeing with your claim of 1:1.

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    Reading is hard. I don't want to strain you so you don't have to bother.
    Why are you being so childish? Why can't you show me the quote that supports your 1:1 claim?

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    Because this is more fun and because watching you hang yourself is WAY more fun.

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