Damn...taking political pandering to a whole new level...

[mavs>spurs]

Really a pisser to see someone else have en lements that we don't get, isn't it?

Yes it is, which is why Obama will not be getting my vote in November.

[Sense]

Instead of sitting around waiting for a magical solution, they should have gotten in line like everyone else. This country can only support so much immigration at a time, you can never allow population growth to outpace job growth or you get unemployment. The government doesn't keep people out just to be big fat meanies, it's because we can only support so many and every country on earth has similar policies.

Rewarding them for this just sets a bad precedent and Congress didn't even vote on this and do it the legal way. Obama basically said the cons ution, I do what I want like he did in Libya.

Sitting around waiting? Today there's more than a million dreamers who are in limbo. Meaning? You can't drive, go to school, work, and it's even hard as to get a bank account. What do you expect them to do? Seriously?

in line? you still don't get the whole flawed immigration system thing do you? People have been waiting up to 20 years to try to come here legally. That's just not an option when you see Mexico evolve into a ing war zone. The thing is, Obama knows no one is going back, there's no way.. and even if he spends millions deporting people that could help the country, they're going to come back.. because this is all they know, might as well have them work and pay taxes while they are here. They will boost the economy, and he gets his latino vote. He can't lose. You're not rewarding really, a reward would be citizenship... which I believe should be earned, but they need that opportunity.

You don't qualify for this plan if you have a felony, 1 serious misdemeanor, or 3 minor misdemeanors.. I'm pretty sure you're getting decent residents out of this.

Yes it is, which is why Obama will not be getting my vote in November.

I'm sure he won't need it.

[ElNono]

The whole issue is much more complicated than "he got the en lement that I can't qualify for "... not surprised a simpleton went that route...

On one hand I don't agree with Sense that the flaw in the immigration system is that there's much more demand than quotas. That is exactly how it should work.

On the other hand, and particularly with these kids, we already as taxpayers made the education investment. Might as well try to recoup some of that money by letting them apply such education towards a job, etc.

This whole thing wouldn't be a problem if the country could effectively control it's borders. But it can't, and that's where the real problem lies. This policy won't change that.

[boutons_deux]

Yes it is, which is why Obama will not be getting my vote in November.

anybody who has seen your posts could never imagine you voting for a Dem candidate.

[boutons_deux]

Obama Goes Long on Immigration, GOP Goes Crazy


In a Twitter post, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said the decision "avoids dealing with Congress and the American people instead of fixing a broken immigration system once and for all... This is a classic Barack Obama move of choosing politics over leadership," Graham's tweet said.

You know what, Huckleberry? Tough. You and your party have demagogued this issue to the point where, in the last presidential campaign, John McCain had to disavow his own immigration bill. Who in the is the president supposed to lead?

This guy?

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, called the change a "decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants... Many illegal immigrants will falsely claim they came here as children and the federal government has no way to check whether their claims are true," Smith said in a statement. "And once these illegal immigrants are granted deferred action, they can then apply for a work permit, which the administration routinely grants 90% of the time."

Or, maybe, this guy, the nuttiest member of the House not named Allen West....

"I will tell you that — I'm not without experience on this — I'm prepared to bring a suit and seek a court order to stop implementation of this policy," King said.

And somebody stole the strawberries, too.

Steve King is the leader of your party on this issue, Huckleberry. Live with it.

(Ooops, I may have overrated Steve King here. Congressman West, checking in from beautiful downtown Paranoid Palms, Florida.)

(And here's a guy from Tucker Carlson's little vanity publication, acting like a jackass.)

It has the added benefit of being a decent policy move, too, considering it was the only one that the Republican banana factory in the Congress left to him. The president is simply acting as the head of the Executive Branch — the same principle under which John Yoo once assured us would allow C-Plus Augustus to crush a child's testicles if he saw the need to do so. What he has done is excise the specter of existential dread from the lives of 800,000 young people, most of whom (presumably) will be electorally grateful. That's enough alone for cynical bastids like me. But it's also a brave and decent thing to do, which seems to have occurred to (among others) Senator Marco Rubio, who'd like to have a political future after he hits 45, and who probably looks at a party speaking through Steve King on immigration and sees that evaporating before his eyes...

"There is broad support for the idea that we should figure out a way to help kids who are undo ented through no fault of their own, but there is also broad consensus that it should be done in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future," he said. "This is a difficult balance to strike, one that this new policy, imposed by executive order, will make harder to achieve in the long run."

Only if your party continues to pander to the flock of loons, senator. You know what's happening here. The Stupid ice had to be cracked on this issue, and the president's done that. Ball's in your court now.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...#ixzz1y5QmokBv

Repugs a gwine nutz when that nasty n!gg@ in the WHITE House kicks them in the nutz.


"residency" isn't amnesty nor citizenship.

Repugs typically lying their asses off to demagogue/inflame/rouse the bubba rabble, aka, old white "Christian" male haters.

[mavs>spurs]

this is what's to come without rule of law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D170552

Joe Arpaio's Office Arrests 6-Year-Old Suspected Undo ented Immigrant
Posted: 06/17/2012 1:50 pm Updated: 06/17/2012 10:28 pm

FOLLOW: Arizona Politics, Immigration, Video, Joe Arpaio Illegal Immigrants, Joe Arpaio's Arrests Six Year Old, Joe Arpaio Arrests Child, Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, Crime News

On the same day that President Obama announced a policy that will make it easier for young undo ented immigrants to remain in the United States, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office arrested a 6-year-old girl suspected of coming to America illegally.

The Arizona Republic reports that the girl was with 15 other suspected undo ented immigrants who were traveling to the Midwest and northeast United States, according to Chris Hegstrom, spokesman for the Sheriff's Office.

"She's been turned over to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to try to determine where she's from. She told us she's from El Salvador. That's what she told us," Hegstrom said.

KPHO reports that all the suspects paid between $300 and $3,500 to be illegally smuggled into the U.S., according to the Sheriff's office.

The arrests came Friday night, the same day that Obama announced his administration would not deport young undo ented immigrants under certain cir stances.

Last week, Arpaio told ABC15 that his office still plans to arrest undo ented immigrants with the same fervor that has made him a nationally known law enforcement figure.

"I think people from Mexico are now going to feel, 'Hey come on in and we'll get by with it.' But it won't happen in this county. They will still be arrested," Arpaio said.

[Sense]

this is what's to come without rule of law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D170552

it's funny that what you got from that article was "look they're already coming"..


Not once did that ever pop in my head as I was reading that. Ridiculous.

[ElNono]

it's funny that what you got from that article was "look they're already coming"..

Not once did that ever pop in my head as I was reading that. Ridiculous.

Plus that kid doesn't qualify for the new policy... she's as good as gone...

[mavs>spurs]

Plus that kid doesn't qualify for the new policy... she's as good as gone...

no but if she didnt get caught crossing she could always just wait a while and then qualify

[ElNono]

no but if she didnt get caught crossing she could always just wait a while and then qualify

After completing high school and being in the country 5+ years...

At which point we've spent enough tax dollars on her where is it such a good idea to ship her ass back to El Salvador?

[mavs>spurs]

After completing high school and being in the country 5+ years...

At which point we've spent enough tax dollars on her where is it such a good idea to ship her ass back to El Salvador?

i'm all for not allowing illegal immigration in the first place, that's my stance

[mavs>spurs]

After completing high school and being in the country 5+ years...

At which point we've spent enough tax dollars on her where is it such a good idea to ship her ass back to El Salvador?

and you can see where this provides a massive incentive to do just that

[ElNono]

i'm all for not allowing illegal immigration in the first place, that's my stance

and you can see where this provides a massive incentive to do just that

The incentive is in the rest of Latin America being a hole... I mean these people were willing to put their life on the line to cross over even without these "incentives"...

But I agree that the actual problem is border control... if you're catching them when they're already in here, you're too late.

[mavs>spurs]

^nah man, if there were no jobs they simply wouldn't come. it should be a felony to hire an undo ented worker, the problem would disappear overnight. people can't survive without working to eat.

It really is that simple.

But the left wants to baby them for the latino vote.

The right wants them here to exploit the cheap labor.

So nothing is actually done about it, both sides just play fight all day whenever they both know damn well it's preventable.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

If only my great grandmother had not been ashamed of her heritage (indians were spat on and treated way worse than even blacks were back then) and kept track of her tribal number..I could get all kinds of cool stuff from the nanny state like everyone else. I had a friend who got all of his community college paid for free (he dropped out after that and never made it to university) and got all kinds of other free stuff like laptops and even a school clothes allowance

This is all while I had to work a ty minimum wage job to pay for my classes there out of pocket. And he was no more "native american" than I am, his aunt went through the trouble of contacting the Bureau of Indian Affairs and sorting everything out.

I just don't see how he was any more worthy of all that aid (or even a full blooded native american for that matter) than I am. Basically in his case it all went to waste.

Don't get me started on the scholarships for latinos.

So, basically, you're too ing lazy to do the same. Got it.

He's not more worthy, ass. He's more motivated. You, on the other hand, expect things to be handed to you on a platter. Granny doesn't remember her BIA number? Boo hoo. I'll sit here and cry about people more motivated than I am getting what I want, but don't want to work for.

[Borat Sagyidev]

^nah man, if there were no jobs they simply wouldn't come. it should be a felony to hire an undo ented worker, the problem would disappear overnight. people can't survive without working to eat.

It really is that simple.

But the left wants to baby them for the latino vote.

The right wants them here to exploit the cheap labor.

So nothing is actually done about it, both sides just play fight all day whenever they both know damn well it's preventable.

quite a bit easier to prevent illegal employment than deport millions...

Funny how this always turns into a scapegoat against undo ented immigrants.

[mavs>spurs]

He? his aunt did all the work for her kids and hooked him and his sister up while she was at it.

asshole.

[ElNono]

^nah man, if there were no jobs they simply wouldn't come. it should be a felony to hire an undo ented worker, the problem would disappear overnight. people can't survive without working to eat.

It really is that simple.

But the left wants to baby them for the latino vote.

The right wants them here to exploit the cheap labor.

So nothing is actually done about it, both sides just play fight all day whenever they both know damn well it's preventable.

Well, I agree there's no political will to really deal with the problem... a country that spends trillions waging wars being unable to close down it's own borders doesn't sound believable...

[mavs>spurs]

that's the thing, it isn't believable. we are a country lead by lunatics who believe that we are all stupid cattle.

and u know what's worse? they're right. they get away with it ing all.

[ElNono]

that's the thing, it isn't believable. we are a country lead by lunatics who believe that we are all stupid cattle.

and u know what's worse? they're right. they get away with it ing all.

yet, people risk it all, even their lives, to come over here... I guess it's really worse wherever they come from...

[mavs>spurs]

they're coming here for what little bit of table scraps are left, sure. it doesn't mean that america hasn't declined significantly.

[ElNono]

BTW, just funny to see the red team ing... didn't Saint Reagan signed off a massive amnesty back in '86?

[ElNono]

they're coming here for what little bit of table scraps are left, sure. it doesn't mean that america hasn't declined significantly.

Well, I lived on the other side of the fence for a while, and this is still a great country, decline or not...

[Borat Sagyidev]

If only my great grandmother had not been ashamed of her heritage (indians were spat on and treated way worse than even blacks were back then) and kept track of her tribal number..I could get all kinds of cool stuff from the nanny state like everyone else. I had a friend who got all of his community college paid for free (he dropped out after that and never made it to university) and got all kinds of other free stuff like laptops and even a school clothes allowance

This is all while I had to work a ty minimum wage job to pay for my classes there out of pocket. And he was no more "native american" than I am, his aunt went through the trouble of contacting the Bureau of Indian Affairs and sorting everything out.

I just don't see how he was any more worthy of all that aid (or even a full blooded native american for that matter) than I am. Basically in his case it all went to waste.

Don't get me started on the scholarships for latinos.

If you gamed the system, you would just be just as pathetic. You're acting like it's hopeless when it really isn't.

I worked minimum wage jobs in High School, craploads of people do. People who game the system don't learn life skills and it almost always catches up to them. it is even catching up to Elizabeth Warren

There are graduate programs from certain majors that will pay you to go to school.

I have a full blooded Apache intern right now, also serving in the reserves to pay for school. I'm not aware of any of the aid you speak of getting directed at him, not that it wouldn't be right.

Native American history is downright shameful in this country and no price can make it right.

You might want to explore your options.

[Sense]

Plus that kid doesn't qualify for the new policy... she's as good as gone...

Exactly, what's next? Trying to turn different situations into something they're not to make this move look like blasphemy.