LT retiring

[Monostradamus]

but a born loser and overly emotional.

are you talking about LT or yourself? you fat . something about your wife.

[Avante]

Arguably the most complete offensive player in NFL history, along with Marshall Faulk.

Both could excel in just about everything, and didn't really have any glaring flaws or weaknesses in their game.

Finally somebody who knows what they are talking about.

Bottom line is production, nobody gives a about personality.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Meh. I'll take Thurman Thomas any day.

[Blake]

Bottom line is production, nobody gives a about personality.

Agreed. Can't wait to see you produce your betting picks this year.

[Avante]

Meh. I'll take Thurman Thomas any day.

LT had 162 TD's
TT had 88

LT rushed for 13, 684 yards
TT had 12,074

[gaKNOW!blee]

Yeah he had a ton of 1 yard touchdowns so he could get the records...also 300 more attempts rushing.

Thomas was the better receiver as well.

[Avante]

Agreed. Can't wait to see you produce your betting picks this year.

I can tell you are new to this, only some kid would carry on like you do about betting on football games.

You look for angles/stats/trends that favor one side from a point spread situation. Yes I have access to that info. What are the chances of all those advantages turning against you on the same weekend? Not real good. Home and road is where you start however. Who can play on the road?

I know...huh?

[Avante]

Yeah he had a ton of 1 yard touchdowns so he could get the records...also 300 more attempts rushing.

Thomas was the better receiver as well.

LT 624 receptions
TT 472

What are you looking at?

LT rushed for more yards, scored almost twice as many td's, caugt a ton of more passes. Ok so you are a Bills fan....right?

[gaKNOW!blee]

So in your opinion...wes welker > calvin johnson as a receiver?

I mean he has more catches right?

[Avante]

So in your opinion...wes welker > calvin johnson as a receiver?

I mean he has more catches right?

You are talking about two totally different things. Calvin Johnson takes two defenders and strecths the field so guys like Welker can work that short stuff. He is far more valuable that a guy catchs dunks/dinks.

Running backs are all about bringing those backers in and those safeties up. That's the respect a great back gets. LT was a scoring machine, he could catch the ball, at 220 pounds he could hit in between the tackles, he was the total package. Yes Thomas is also a great back but not on the level with LT. The stats have proven that.

LT average per carry 4.3
TT 4.2

[Blake]

I can tell you are new to this, only some kid would carry on like you do about betting on football games.

You look for angles/stats/trends that favor one side from a point spread situation. Yes I have access to that info. What are the chances of all those advantages turning against you on the same weekend? Not real good. Home and road is where you start however. Who can play on the road?

I know...huh?

bottom line is production.

[Blake]

You are talking about two totally different things. Calvin Johnson takes two defenders and strecths the field so guys like Welker can work that short stuff. He is far more valuable that a guy catchs dunks/dinks.

which wide receiver stretched the field for Welker this past year?

[gaKNOW!blee]

7.6 ypr and 17 td tells me he was just catching a bunch of screens.

Thomas averaged 9.5 and scored 23 td...tells me he was actually moving the chains.

Thomas also actually showed up in the playoffs (except when he lost his helmet lol) while LT played like shut every post season.

[Avante]

which wide receiver stretched the field for Welker this past year?

As usual you didn't get it

I think I said guys like Welker...right? Or "possesion receiver" You do understand how this works...right?

[Avante]

7.6 ypr and 17 td tells me he was just catching a bunch of screens.

Thomas averaged 9.5 and scored 23 td...tells me he was actually moving the chains.

Thomas also actually showed up in the playoffs (except when he lost his helmet lol) while LT played like shut every post season.

Sorry but the differences in numbers is just too far off in favor of LT. Soooooo many more scores, sooooooo many more catchs, a better per rush average. Not really even close actually.

[Blake]

LT average per carry 4.3
TT 4.2

College:

LT average per carry 5.9
(in the WAC)

Swink 6.3
(in the old school 3 yards and a cloud of dust SWC)

[Avante]

College:

LT average per carry 5.9
(in the WAC)

Swink 6.3
(in the old school 3 yards and a cloud of dust SWC)

You mean back in the days when defensive linemen were 240 pounds with backers at 190 and we still had slow white defensive backs?

So who was the first black players in the old SWC?

[gaKNOW!blee]

Sorry but the differences in numbers is just too far off in favor of LT. Soooooo many more scores, sooooooo many more catchs, a better per rush average. Not really even close actually.

Yeah he had a lot more catches cause those early chargers teams had no one else to throw to...anyone can get open when you're catching the ball behind the LOS.

Also he averaged 4.3 to TT's 4.2....not that impressive when LT just got to feast on the ty afc west his entire career.

[JoeTait75]

As far as versatile backs are concerned, Walter Payton could throw the football and kick as well (he was Chicago's emergency kicker IIRC.)

[Avante]

Yeah he had a lot more catches cause those early chargers teams had no one else to throw to...anyone can get open when you're catching the ball behind the LOS.

Also he averaged 4.3 to TT's 4.2....not that impressive when LT just got to feast on the ty afc west his entire career.

Those "early" Chargers teams had the great Lance Alworth to throw to.

Anyway...

I've seen both play many many times. Saw them play at Oklahoma State and TCU. Thurman Thomas was a great/amazing back. , he kept Barry Sanders on the bench at Okie State, he made the Bills fans forget O.J.Simpson. Only a handful of backs were better than he was, it just happens that LD was one of them.

How can we get around the facts? LT scored more, caught more, better average per carry? Nobody cares what division they played in or why they were thrown to. Production is all that matters, when it comes to that it's LT.

[johnsmith]

You mean back in the days when defensive linemen were 240 pounds with backers at 190 and we still had slow white defensive backs?

So who was the first black players in the old SWC?

So stats from back in the day are meaningless?

[johnsmith]

Weird considering what a "historian" you are.

[slayermin]

Class act. Once of my favorite players of all time.

Went to see the Pats at Chargers in 2002. Coolest regular season NFL experience I've ever had. LT gained over 200 yards and scored the game winner.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0209290sdg.htm

[Blake]

You mean back in the days when defensive linemen were 240 pounds with backers at 190 and we still had slow white defensive backs?

Since offensive lineman and running backs were also smaller, the playing field was equal.

So who was the first black players in the old SWC?

irrelevant.

[Avante]

So stats from back in the day are meaningless?

You always go with the level of compe ion.

But...

You can go with....dominance of era. Nobody dominated their era like Jim Brown. Would he dominate today, of course not. Could he play, at 6-2 230 pounds with 4.5 speed absolutely.

We also have to keep in mind the lack of the black athlete when talking back in the day.