Isiah wasn't that good and no way can you can say that the team was built around him. They were a bad bad team who roughed the league.
Magic was the only point guard who i would build a team around in any decade.
It hasn't happened in over 20 years, and like so many other people have tried before, your "(insert point guard here) might do it soon!" hypothetical doesn't do jack to disprove anything. Stuff that hasn't happened yet doesn't do anything for your argument.
That team didn't begin and end in 04... they still made the ECF for years to come and even made it back to the Finals.... Chauncey had an MVP-worthy season in 06... they just didn't get it done after that even with the Wallace towers.....
Well I didn't exactly watch the Bad Boy Pistons but they were the last championship team where the point guard was the undisputed primary option on offense.Isiah wasn't that good and no way can you can say that the team was built around him. They were a bad bad team who roughed the league.
Magic was the only point guard who i would build a team around in any decade.
The Magic thing only helps my argument. The biggest shot of Magic's career was a game-winning sky hook in the most congested area of the court shot over two HOF 7 footers. It's safe to say CP3, D-Will, D-Rose, Rondo, Nash, etc. won't be making that kind of shot anytime soon. The primary reason behind my argument is the fact PGs are the shortest players on the court, so when the exception to my argument was a 6'9" point guard, that only makes sense.
In 2004, when they won a championship, it was by no stretch of the imagination built around Billups. The fact Billups had an MVP season 2 years later doesn't do anything to disprove my theory about teams built around PGs not winning championships, in fact it only strengthens my theory since the Pistons started losing in the ECF once Billups became an MVP candidate.
As I've said before, if winning 50+ games, making the playoffs and then losing in the playoffs is your goal, then building around your PG is a great strategy
^ the Bad Boys of 1988-1990 were very reminiscent of the 2003-2005 Pistons squad. Jam can elaborate on this because they were identically built and basically Ben & Rasheed were Rodman & Laimbeer, Tayshawn & Hamilton were Dumars & Vinnie and Billups was Isiah.
Now that's why none of those squads were built around the Point Guard. And they were extremely well coached. They both had the toughest coaches and Daly & Brown really got on them. I'll say this, the Spurs were very lucky to have beaten that 2005 Pistons team. That series could've gone either way because of Duncan's injury. I'm glad Manu came to play in the finals unlike Parker.
I remember during that finals series, Piston fans were really upset with Larry Brown. He was looking way ahead of the finals and he came very close to coach Lebron in Cleveland.
Point guard (PG), also called the one, play maker or "the ball-handler," is one of the standard positions in a regulation basketball game and is commonly abbreviated "PG." A point guard has perhaps the most specialized role of any position – essentially, he is expected to run the team's offense by controlling the ball and making sure that it gets to the right players at the right time. Above all, the point guard must totally understand and accept his or her coach's game plan; in this way, the position can be compared to a quarterback in American football.
I would say that definition accurately describes what Lebron James does. I know he is listed as a small forward, but as we know from Duncan's listing as a power forward, those terms are not always accurate. Lebron James runs his team's offense. In the past people have called the position "point forward" for players such as Grant Hill and Scottie Pippen. A more fine tuned argument would be that a team can not win when their best player is short.
The reason why PG based teams cant win today is because today's best PGs suck in comparison to the best PGs from, let's say, the 80's
Isiah and Magic could carry a team to a le
CP3, Deron, etc, are a bunch of gots compared to them
Don't lump CP3 da gawd in with lesser PG's like Deron tbh.... if anyone's gonna lead their team to a le from that position, it's gonna be Chris Paul... he's like a coach out there tbh... plus he has a dominant big in Blake Griffin who's only gonna get better...
So Lebron is a point forward. That's not a point guard. Thanks for clarifying. Point guards don't play in the post and down low as much as Lebron does. You're either being deliberately naive or you're incredibly stupid.
Only an idiot thinks handling the ball the most and running the offense = point guard. By that logic virtually the best perimeter player on every team is a point guard.
Which point guards other than Isiah and Magic have been the best player on a championship team? The NBA has more talent at the PG position than it has in its history, yet Mario Chalmers is still winning a championship. Magic and Isiah were the exceptions, not the standard.
Blake Griffin will always be bothered by bigger and longer defenders as an undersized power forward.
For all the confidence you have about Chrissy leading a team to a championship, he's never advanced past the 2nd round of the playoffs, so it's illogical to act like it's a sure thing Paul can take a team to a championship. Game 7 against San Antonio in 2008 shows how limited Paul is as a closer in playoff games.
deferring to Jannero Pargo in the biggest game of his career.
When he was healthy this year, he was a great playoff closer for us tbh... very clutch against Memphis... but then he got injured...
Griffin's already a yearly 20/10 guy off mostly athleticism... great passer for a big man too, and more confident with his jump shot now... when he starts hitting his free throws more and polishing his post moves, dude's gonna be a straight-up dominant beast tbh....
You can blame injuries all you want, the fact is that after 7 years in the NBA Paul has never taken a team past the 2nd round of the playoffs. You act like he's some kind of established winner and him leading a team to a championship is inevitable yet he hasn't even led a team to the conference finals.
people also said that about dwight howard and it never happened.
It's all about work ethic really... Griffin is a hard worker tbh... I think he can make the leap to an all-around dominant big man on offense and at least a passable defender...
but what about his wang, can it get any bigger if you keep on sucking it?
Chill with that, B... just sayin' he's a beast...
To add to your argument, Magic had the body of a small forward. That was probably his most natural position. But since there wasn't much in the way of super-quick Chris Pauls or Russell Westbrooks in the league, the Lakers didn't feel like they had to play a little dude defensively and call Magic a "point forward."
Even if you call Billups the best player on the Pistons -- and I think it's defensible -- both groups of Pistons that won the le did it with a full team effort, and not because they had the one guy that dominated. So call those teams the exception that proves the rule.
You are arguing semantics and being naive yourself. Point forward is what some fans and commentators called it, but such a position does not technically exist. I am curious to know what your definition of a point guard is? Outside of handling the ball and running the offense, what do you think they do?
Point guard is the player who starts at point guard, which obviously isn't Lebron since he starts at forward.
Please tell me, are point guards generally of the 6'8" 260 pound stature? Do you legitimately consider Lebron a point guard who debunks my theory that the Chris Pauls, Rajon Rondos, Steve Nashs, and Derrick Roses of the NBA will never lead a team to a championship? It's obvious you're being purposefully obtuse to try and dispute an argumen you can't dispute with a logical and intellectually honest counter. It's intellectually dishonest to say, "Hurp durp Lebron handles the ball and runs the offense so he's a PG who proves you're theory wrong hurp durp!" Most of the time people who grasp at straws to dispute my PG theory have a short man's complex which is why they're in loves with point guards because they like seeing successful short people. I'm guessing you're one of them.
Work ethic won't compensate for the fact Griffin is an undersized power forward who will always struggle against bigger and longer defenders.
As I said already, the biggest shot of Magic's career was a shot CP3, D-Will, Rose, Nash, Rondo, etc. would never dream of shooting. Teams need a franchise player who can make tough shots in traffic at crucial moments. When your franchise player in barely 6 feet tall, you have no one to go to for big shots in traffic against good defensive teams.
LeBron is more of the Heat PG then Chalmers don't deny it, Chalmers is mostly just a spot up shooter.
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