General 2012 Free Agency Discussion

[SamoanTD]

i understand they need better post play, but with no money and few assets beyond the big 3, let me know where we are going to find a player that fits those categories?

as stands, Tim can can still play solid defense when he's on the court. Splitter is a solid defender in the post. He is not a shot blocking threat, and believe he ended up with a terrible match up for him in the Thunder. That being said, I think Splitter is a fine back up to Duncan.

If it was me, I'd focus more on getting a post scorer if that meant having to sacrifice a little something on Defense. I doubt we are going to find someone that can do both with what we have, unless that is what Lorbek can do.

You don't make sense offense gets you only so far in the playoffs as you see in our most recent run. Like I have said just about every where on this forum there are bigs to be had in the draft (O'Quinn, James). Scoring in the post also does not have to come from throwing it down to the big and letting him work it can come from put backs, cutting, and lobs. I swear one defensive minded athletic big and this team will be nice.

[SenorSpur]

You don't make sense offense gets you only so far in the playoffs as you see in our most recent run. Like I have said just about every where on this forum there are bigs to be had in the draft (O'Quinn, James). Scoring in the post also does not have to come from throwing it down to the big and letting him work it can come from put backs, cutting, and lobs. I swear one defensive minded athletic big and this team will be nice.

^ This.

Including Kyle O'Quinn, there is Bernard James, Henry Sims, & Robert Sacre. Either of these young bigs could provide the necessary interior post defense and rebounding, which the Spurs are sorely lacking. While they may all need some work on the offensive side, the Spurs have more than enough offense to makeup the difference. And the best part of all, each of these young bigs will likely be available in the second round of the upcoming draft.

[SamoanTD]

^ This.

Including Kyle O'Quinn, there is Bernard James, Henry Sims, & Robert Sacre. Either of these young bigs could provide the necessary interior post defense and rebounding, which the Spurs are sorely lacking. While they may all need some work on the offensive side, the Spurs have more than enough offense to makeup the difference. And the best part of all, each of these young bigs will likely be available in the second round of the upcoming draft.

^ I guess nobody sees it like us bro lol.

[CGD]

Parker talked a little about Spurs offseason in an interview he made today in Paris:
http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/267...etre-la-folie/

Boris Diaw will be at the end of his contract, will he re-sign with Spurs?
Boris wants to stay in SA and they want to keep him too but there is too the business side. Boris will get nice contract offers and we must first re-sign Tim Duncan. There are too Danny Green, Erazem Lorbek and Nando De Colo. There are a lot of possibilities. We will see if we will be able to get everybody. It's going to be hard but I trust Pop and RC to make the right choice. I think that next year we will still play for the le.


First, TP has learned well his lesson and hasn't repeated last year mistake.
While he doesn't say really surprising things, TP confirmed a lot of what has been said/hinted about Spurs offseason:
- Spurs would like to have Diaw back but not at a crazy cost.
- There is a true interest for Lorbek and De Colo.
- Getting all these players will be hard to do financially wise.
- Spurs likely won't try to get some other teams free agents. They will try to re-sign some of their FAs and bring former draft picks.

Thanks for posting. I read this as Boris is the second option while Lorbek the first. I'm not sure the space exception (former LLe) is going to be enough for either player tbh. But De Colo with that same money makes sense.

[tesseractive]

Thanks for posting. I read this as Boris is the second option while Lorbek the first. I'm not sure the space exception (former LLe) is going to be enough for either player tbh. But De Colo with that same money makes sense.

To sign both Lorbek and Diaw, we'd probably have to split the midlevel and give them each $2-3M/ year. Whether either will except those terms, I have no idea -- it's below market for both.

[Andthentherewas21]

To sign both Lorbek and Diaw, we'd probably have to split the midlevel and give them each $2-3M/ year. Whether either will except those terms, I have no idea -- it's below market for both.

I don't know about Lorbek, but Diaw probably won't command much beyond that. After his past couple of seasons there are very few teams that are going to take a chance on him, even after his resurgence at the end of the season. Especially given how hesitant he was in offense for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Bruno, when do you think the Spurs/Duncan will agree to a contract? Does Tim have to be signed first before they make any other moves?

[TD 21]

You don't make sense offense gets you only so far in the playoffs as you see in our most recent run. Like I have said just about every where on this forum there are bigs to be had in the draft (O'Quinn, James). Scoring in the post also does not have to come from throwing it down to the big and letting him work it can come from put backs, cutting, and lobs. I swear one defensive minded athletic big and this team will be nice.

That's why they need to load up a package for Smith. Splitter, Blair, Neal, Bonner, Joseph, Byars and a future 1st. And before some completely dismiss this, consider this: They've got six players signed for $60 million next season. This is a big enough issue that Assistant GM Dave Pendergraph said today, when asked about bringing former 2nd round pick Sergiy Gladyr to Summer League, "Well, there is some urgency in our summer league this year because of the roster spots. That being said, Sergei may be two or three years down the road and maybe next summer will be the best opportunity for him.” In other words, they desperately need inexpensive depth. The younger the better, considering how old their bench was this season.

Given that Johnson is more than likely staying put (if they Mavs fail to land Williams or pull off a move of that caliber, maybe they settle for Johnson; short of that, I can't see him not being back), their goal is probably to continue to tread water. So they may be inclined to take a package like that, as opposed to looking for that one big asset. And it's not like that package wouldn't fill some obvious needs. One being starting C, while simultaneously allowing Horford to move back to his natural PF; another being sixth man, as they never replaced Crawford. Neal could, at least more so than anyone they had this season.

If the Spurs can pull that off, they'll have not only filled their biggest need and added an in his prime All-Star caliber player, but they'll still be in a position to have a deep team. Here's how: Re-sign Duncan, Green and Diaw, sign De Colo and Turiaf. He does have a player option, but with him clearly not in the Heat's plans, I don't see why he wouldn't opt out. The Spurs could probably only offer the veteran's minimum, but the chance to be a guaranteed rotation player on a bonafide contender and join three fellow countrymen, I'd think would be very appealing to him. If that fails, there's Gray, Orton, Mohammed, Thabeet and Ajinca, as potential veteran's minimum options. And keep in mind, with a guy like Smith, who can eat up 35 mpg easily, the fourth big isn't as quite as important, especially come playoff time. Then they'd just need a fifth big and wing to fill out the roster.

[SamoanTD]

That's why they need to load up a package for Smith. Splitter, Blair, Neal, Bonner, Joseph, Byars and a future 1st. And before some completely dismiss this, consider this: They've got six players signed for $60 million next season. This is a big enough issue that Assistant GM Dave Pendergraph said today, when asked about bringing former 2nd round pick Sergiy Gladyr to Summer League, "Well, there is some urgency in our summer league this year because of the roster spots. That being said, Sergei may be two or three years down the road and maybe next summer will be the best opportunity for him.” In other words, they desperately need inexpensive depth. The younger the better, considering how old their bench was this season.

Given that Johnson is more than likely staying put (if they Mavs fail to land Williams or pull off a move of that caliber, maybe they settle for Johnson; short of that, I can't see him not being back), their goal is probably to continue to tread water. So they may be inclined to take a package like that, as opposed to looking for that one big asset. And it's not like that package wouldn't fill some obvious needs. One being starting C, while simultaneously allowing Horford to move back to his natural PF; another being sixth man, as they never replaced Crawford. Neal could, at least more so than anyone they had this season.

If the Spurs can pull that off, they'll have not only filled their biggest need and added an in his prime All-Star caliber player, but they'll still be in a position to have a deep team. Here's how: Re-sign Duncan, Green and Diaw, sign De Colo and Turiaf. He does have a player option, but with him clearly not in the Heat's plans, I don't see why he wouldn't opt out. The Spurs could probably only offer the veteran's minimum, but the chance to be a guaranteed rotation player on a bonafide contender and join three fellow countrymen, I'd think would be very appealing to him. If that fails, there's Gray, Orton, Mohammed, Thabeet and Ajinca, as potential veteran's minimum options. And keep in mind, with a guy like Smith, who can eat up 35 mpg easily, the fourth big isn't as quite as important, especially come playoff time. Then they'd just need a fifth big and wing to fill out the roster.

I see where you going but honestly I cant see the Hawks doing it as much as I would like to see it I would chalk this one up as a pipe dream. There's better packages out there to be had for Smith and spurs package ain't cutting it.

[Russo21]

I don't know anything about Lorbek and DeCola. NBA is all i watch and not international stuff.

Would you consider these guys giving immediate help ala other internationals like Bogut, Parker, Ginobili, Scola, Nene and the Gasol's or be trash like Splitter, Thabeet etc.?

International prospects are like a box of chocolate's, you never know what you're gonna get.

[yavozerb]

I don't know anything about Lorbek and DeCola. NBA is all i watch and not international stuff.

Would you consider these guys giving immediate help ala other internationals like Bogut, Parker, Ginobili, Scola, Nene and the Gasol's or be trash like Splitter, Thabeet etc.?

International prospects are like a box of chocolate's, you never know what you're gonna get.

Nobody can answer this question correctly cause nobody knows how one international players game will translate to the NBA more so than the other. Pretty dumb comment saying Splitter is trash and even dumber comment on Thabeet being called a Euro player..

[Bruno]

Bruno, when do you think the Spurs/Duncan will agree to a contract? Does Tim have to be signed first before they make any other moves?

It depends on what kind of salary he wants:
- If it's a min contract or the room exception contract (2 years for a total salary of $5.3M), then Duncan should be signed last.
- If it's a contract with a starting salary below $6M, then Duncan should be signed first.
- If it's a contract with a starting salary higher than $6M, then it doesn't really matters.

[Russo21]

Nobody can answer this question correctly cause nobody knows how one international players game will translate to the NBA more so than the other. Pretty dumb comment saying Splitter is trash and even dumber comment on Thabeet being called a Euro player..

Yavozerb if you read my post correctly you will notice i did not use the word euro once. I said internationals. Never Euro. So yes, Thabeet being from Tanzania or some he is an International like i said. So your comment about me being dumb for calling Thabeet a Euro player is actually even dumber.

[admiralsnackbar]

Yavozerb if you read my post correctly you will notice i did not use the word euro once. I said internationals. Never Euro. So yes, Thabeet being from Tanzania or some he is an International like i said. So your comment about me being dumb for calling Thabeet a Euro player is actually even dumber.

Except Thabeet played for the Huskies, in other words, he was trained in US basketball. Do you also think Mutombo and Olajuwon were international, too?

Don't get so butthurt when somebody calls you out, man -- especially when they're right to have done so.

[Russo21]

Well Hakeem was from Nigeria, and Mutombo was from Congo or something, so yeah.

[Russo21]

And if the USA didnt purchase Timmy's Virgin Islands from the Danish i'd consider him international to

[Russo21]

Bazinga!

[CGD]

Looks like Earl Clark may decline his Player Option. This guy intrigues me.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com...-orlando-magic

[ace3g]

Since it isn't just about one of the Spurs international prospects, I'll post it here:

http://www.sportyou.es/diario/20120622/14/

Looks like it talks about the Spurs international history

[Mel_13]

In a surprise ruling on Friday, New York Knicks' Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, Los Angeles Clippers' Chauncey Billups and Portland Trail Blazers' J.J. Hickson secured Bird and early Bird rights in a hearing between the NBA players' association and the league.

The decision was made by arbitrator Kenneth Dam, who affirmed that players claimed off waivers are able to retain their valuable Bird and early Bird rights when they become free agents. That means that if Lin, Billups, Novak and Hickson re-sign, their teams can go over the salary cap. The Celtics were the first team to use this exception, re-signing star Larry Bird to go over the cap.

The NBA said it would appeal Friday's ruling.

All four players were waived this season and claimed by other teams. They will become free agents July 1.

In addition, future players claimed off waivers will likewise benefit from Friday's ruling.

Lin and Novak wll enter the 2012-13 free agency period with early Bird rights, meaning that they can be re-signed for 175 percent of their salary the previous season or the NBA average salary, whichever is greater.

Billups and Hickson will have Bird rights, meaning they can be re-signed up to the maximum salary.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...ts-affects-cap

[CGD]

In a surprise ruling on Friday, New York Knicks' Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, Los Angeles Clippers' Chauncey Billups and Portland Trail Blazers' J.J. Hickson secured Bird and early Bird rights in a hearing between the NBA players' association and the league.

The decision was made by arbitrator Kenneth Dam, who affirmed that players claimed off waivers are able to retain their valuable Bird and early Bird rights when they become free agents. That means that if Lin, Billups, Novak and Hickson re-sign, their teams can go over the salary cap. The Celtics were the first team to use this exception, re-signing star Larry Bird to go over the cap.

The NBA said it would appeal Friday's ruling.

All four players were waived this season and claimed by other teams. They will become free agents July 1.

In addition, future players claimed off waivers will likewise benefit from Friday's ruling.

Lin and Novak wll enter the 2012-13 free agency period with early Bird rights, meaning that they can be re-signed for 175 percent of their salary the previous season or the NBA average salary, whichever is greater.

Billups and Hickson will have Bird rights, meaning they can be re-signed up to the maximum salary.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...ts-affects-cap

Would this have any impact for Boris?

[Mel_13]

Would this have any impact for Boris?

No.

Those players were claimed off waivers, Boris cleared waivers and then signed with the Spurs as a free agent.

[CGD]

No.

Those players were claimed off waivers, Boris cleared waivers and then signed with the Spurs as a free agent.

I see, thanks.

[ace3g]

Some FA I'm interested in (no particular order):

1. Carl Landry - mobile PF, good jump shot, hustle player

2. Earl Clark

3. James Singleton

4. Dominic McGuire

5. Kevin Garnett - Yes I know but he has the skill sets the Spurs need at this point in the Big 3 Career's

6. Jordan Hill

7. Anthony Randolph - Though probably better acquiring him through trade

[Andthentherewas21]

Landry is probably outside the Spurs range, unless they aren't keeping Diaw