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    I actually wanted this mandate gone. Blah.
    Don't worry Boehner has vowed to repeal it.

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    In that case, they need to raise the tax enough to pay for the health care they are providing. $400 is a joke.
    .. or 2% of your income whichever is higher.

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    Favorite tweet so far because its true:

    GOP can still rejoice: ruling sticks it to the poor

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    it was roberts, not kennedy that crossed.

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    it was roberts, not kennedy that crossed.
    Just about to post how interesting this is. I thought it would either be 5-4 Overturned or 6-3 Upheld. Didn't even think of 5-4 Upheld for my Fantasy Team.

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    Don't worry Boehner has vowed to repeal it.
    Nothing more than a symbolic gesture at this point.

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    Conan:

    Thanksgiving with the Supreme Court is going to be so awkward this year.

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    Sarah Palin comin' in hot!

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    Obama lied to the American people. Again. He said it wasn't a tax. Obama lies; freedom dies.

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    Palin, while a ditz, does have a point. The ruling does give republicans ammo to call out Obama for raising taxes.

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    Sarah Palin comin' in hot!
    LOL how lame.

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    The Supreme Court has upheld the centerpiece of President Obama's health care overhaul, in effect allowing the law to survive.

    In a 5-4 decision unveiled Thursday, the court ruled as cons utional the so-called individual mandate requiring most Americans to obtain health insurance starting in 2014.

    The ruling is a victory for the president, ensuring for now that his signature domestic policy achievement remains intact.

    It also ensures that the law will play a prominent role in the general election campaign, as Republican candidate Mitt Romney vows to repeal the law if elected.

    Chief Justice John Roberts, who was appointed during a Republican administration, joined the four left-leaning justices on the bench in making the decision.

    The ruling relied on a technical explanation of how the individual mandate could be categorized. Roberts, in the opinion, said the mandate could not be upheld under the Cons ution's Commerce Clause. However, it could be upheld under the government's power to tax.

    "The Affordable Care Act is cons utional in part and uncons utional in part The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress's power under the Commerce Clause," Roberts wrote. "That Clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage it. In this case, however, it is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance. Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax."

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    .. or 2% of your income whichever is higher.
    2% of income is still much cheaper than buying insurance.

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    2% of income is still much cheaper than buying insurance.
    Agreed, but you can pay x% of your income for nothing, or X+y% of your income for something.

    it is a decision each individual has to make, but for someone making 50k, they can either pay 2k for coverage or 1k for nothing. seems kinda silly.

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    Palin, while a ditz, does have a point. The ruling does give republicans ammo to call out Obama for raising taxes.
    The Weekly Standard jumping on the new GOP talking point:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ax_647927.html

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    The argument for requiring have their own health insurance is that you make folks responsible for paying for their own health care (when an insured person goes to the hospital, everyone else pays for it).

    Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that it can force every legal resident to purchase insurance, it will be interesting to see how this plays into the Immigration Debate. So now what happens when an illegal immigrant with no health insurance shows up at a hospital?

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    if it gets overturned, will the current policy still stay in effect for like the rest of the year? i just need it to last a couple more months tbh
    Moot point tbh.

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    2% of income is still much cheaper than buying insurance.
    And what happens to the guy who paid the tax who shows up in the emergency room?

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    The argument for requiring have their own health insurance is that you make folks responsible for paying for their own health care (when an insured person goes to the hospital, everyone else pays for it).

    Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that it can force every legal resident to purchase insurance, it will be interesting to see how this plays into the Immigration Debate. So now what happens when an illegal immigrant with no health insurance shows up at a hospital?
    I would say nothing since the hospital can't check their immigration status. The hospital doesn't know if it is a citizen who decided to pay the tax, or an illegal immigrant.

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    And what happens to the guy who paid the tax who shows up in the emergency room?
    well, at least the government is getting SOME money from them to compensate for the "free" healthcare that they used.

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    The argument for requiring have their own health insurance is that you make folks responsible for paying for their own health care (when an insured person goes to the hospital, everyone else pays for it).

    Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that it can force every legal resident to purchase insurance, it will be interesting to see how this plays into the Immigration Debate. So now what happens when an illegal immigrant with no health insurance shows up at a hospital?
    You know what will happen. They will still get treatment for free.

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    The argument for requiring have their own health insurance is that you make folks responsible for paying for their own health care (when an insured person goes to the hospital, everyone else pays for it).

    Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that it can force every legal resident to purchase insurance, it will be interesting to see how this plays into the Immigration Debate. So now what happens when an illegal immigrant with no health insurance shows up at a hospital?
    The failure to address how illegals will be handled is one of the major shortcomings of the law.

    I would say nothing since the hospital can't check their immigration status. The hospital doesn't know if it is a citizen who decided to pay the tax, or an illegal immigrant.
    Isn't the hospital now forced into a defacto check on immigration status? If all citizens are now forced to have insurance, non-citizens should be the only ones left without it.

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    Excellent news. Roberts made a principled decision here.

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    2% of income is still much cheaper than buying insurance.
    Depends on what your income is no?

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    Depends on what your income is no?
    Just average quality insurance costs $400 a month at least. You would have to make $250,000 a year for 2% to be more.

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