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    I feel as though if I you disagree with me on this point I'm probably wrong so I'll go with what you're saying.
    LOL... I'm filled with this... sudden... sense of power.

    I like it.

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    Also...is the $400 in addition to my normal insurance?
    Nope. You pay $400 and you don't have to buy insurance. Get cancer and insurance companies have to sell you insurance at the price they charge everyone else and then they have to pay the 100s of thousands for your treatment.

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    Obama care...

    The biggest tax increase in modern US history...

    News at 11...

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    Any tax experts out there?

    What do you guys think will happen. If this is to actually be a tax, then will we all be taxed? Will what we already pay who have employer insurance become a tax deduction subject to change at the whim of politicians?

    Ouch...

    I see a loss of future income...

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    I'll take health insurance that covers all for 2% of my income. Sign me the up.

    If this doesnt sound like a steal of a deal then you are in reality a ing idiot or really dont give a flying about your health.

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    Obama care...

    The biggest tax increase in modern US history...

    News at 11...
    By what measure? You have 30 seconds on the clock, please keep in mind you are competing against Ronald Reagan's 1.82% of GDP in 1982 and increases exceeding 5% of GDP during WWII.

    GO!

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    If they rely on hospitals then they're not going to get much info since most people don't visit a hospital already.
    The hospitals aren't going to make the list but they are going to be very interested in how they're going to get paid to treat someone. They'll need to know whether they're sending a bill to your insurance company or if they're sending a bill to whatever government office is going to handle reimbursments from the tax pool that uninsured citizens are paying into. There's no way to go through that exercise without noticing that someone isn't on either list.

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    I'll take health insurance that covers all for 2% of my income. Sign me the up.

    If this doesnt sound like a steal of a deal then you are in reality a ing idiot or really dont give a flying about your health.
    Maybe it was in the plans all along. SS was reduced from 6.2% to 4.2%. When they increase it back to 6.2%, will they say we are all paying for it now?

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    Any tax experts out there?

    What do you guys think will happen. If this is to actually be a tax, then will we all be taxed? Will what we already pay who have employer insurance become a tax deduction subject to change at the whim of politicians?

    Ouch...

    I see a loss of future income...
    LOL, you are a moron. The Supreme Court didn't say they need to change it to be a tax, they said the Taxing Authority of Congress allows the mandate in the way the ACA lays it out.

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    Maybe it was in the plans all along. SS was reduced from 6.2% to 4.2%. When they increase it back to 6.2%, will they say we are all paying for it now?
    fine with me tbh.

    everyone pays the same. cost of doing business as a citizen of the USA. Available to all citizens regardless of social standing. Sounds like a winning deal to me.

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    LOL, you are a moron. The Supreme Court didn't say they need to change it to be a tax, they said the Taxing Authority of Congress allows the mandate in the way the ACA lays it out.
    Just the same.

    Obama lied. It is a tax.

    How about getting to the point of my question instead of nit picking?

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    Just the same.

    Obama lied. It is a tax.

    How about getting to the point of my question instead of nit picking?
    There is no point to your question, because it has no basis in the reality of what is actually happening. I don't bother getting to the point of questions that are, and I apologize for using technical jargon here, ing stupid.

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    Just the same.

    Obama lied. It is a tax.

    How about getting to the point of my question instead of nit picking?
    What is your point?

    You made a claim and failed to back it up in any way whatsoever.

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    LOL... I'm filled with this... sudden... sense of power.

    I like it.
    Just on economics, .

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    Wow...

    A lot of people here:
    Wild Cobra, MannyIsGod, ElNono, coyotes_geek, Das Texan, ChumpDumper, CosmicCowboy, FromWayDowntown, rascal, leemajors, boutons_deux, TheMACHINE, George Gervin's Afro, Dr Spur, ducks, DarrinS, mercos, 2centsworth, xeromass, Agloco, cherylsteele, Spurminator
    Aren't most of you at work?

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    Wow...

    A lot of people here:


    Aren't most of you at work?
    i am, but i don't really think of it as work.

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    What is your point?

    You made a claim and failed to back it up in any way whatsoever.
    The point of my question is "how will we be taxed." No need to focus on what you can nitpick, is there? Is it really necessary to find fault in people?

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    I'm in calc 3. Its boring and easy.

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    Any tax experts out there?

    What do you guys think will happen. If this is to actually be a tax, then will we all be taxed? Will what we already pay who have employer insurance become a tax deduction subject to change at the whim of politicians?

    Ouch...

    I see a loss of future income...
    What they will do is artificially make the "pool" insurance cheaper than private insurance. The law says if you drop your existing insurance policy you can't move to a different company, you have to go into the "pool". They will gradually convert everyone to the pool (with the 50% that currently don't pay income taxes still getting coverage in the pool) and then raise taxes on those that pay taxes to cover the REAL cost of coverage. It's the first ugly step towards single payer.

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    will this $400 really cover everything? Sounds like it'll probably get even higher in the short future...then again...im no tax expert.

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    The point of my question is "how will we be taxed." No need to focus on what you can nitpick, is there? Is it really necessary to find fault in people?
    The answer to your question is laid out in the ACA, and has been answered in this thread.

    If you don't have insurance you will pay a tax/fee/fine/royalty/penance/tribute of $95 in 2014, 2% of income or $395 in 2015, or 2.5% or $695 in 2016.

    If you do have insurance, then you pay no tax/fee/fine/royalty/penance/tribute.

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    Aren't most of you at work?
    I'm working, tbh

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    will this $400 really cover everything? Sounds like it'll probably get even higher in the short future...then again...im no tax expert.
    No. It covers NOTHING other than that you won't be denied care at an emergency room if you show up without insurance. You'll still be presented with a bill at the emergency room, and you'll still get dinged on your credit when you don't pay it. But, you'll still be alive.

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    No. It covers NOTHING other than that you won't be denied care at an emergency room if you show up without insurance. You'll still be presented with a bill at the emergency room, and you'll still get dinged on your credit when you don't pay it. But, you'll still be alive.
    Can you really be denied care at an emergency room even if you don't pay? I would suspect that you do not get denied care, but you do incur in tax evasion if you don't pay your tax bill.

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    No. It covers NOTHING other than that you won't be denied care at an emergency room if you show up without insurance. You'll still be presented with a bill at the emergency room, and you'll still get dinged on your credit when you don't pay it. But, you'll still be alive.
    which is why i'd sadly have to keep my piece of insurance coverage. too bad this doesnt actually accomplish anything in regards to the rising cost of health care.

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