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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    ok so let me get this straight...for people who have insurance already, this does not affect them? Only those who dont have insurance gets affected cuz they have to pay $400?

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    Can you really be denied care at an emergency room even if you don't pay? I would suspect that you do not get denied care, but you do incur in tax evasion if you don't pay your tax bill.
    No one is ever denied treatment. Most of the tab for the unpaid treatment is currently covered by higher charges to insured patients and local taxes.

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    No one is ever denied treatment. Most of the tab for the unpaid treatment is currently covered by higher charges to insured patients and local taxes.
    I know you don't right now, and I suspect that's not changing, although I'm not informed enough to know if this law applies any changes on that respect.

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    ok so let me get this straight...for people who have insurance already, this does not affect them? Only those who dont have insurance gets affected cuz they have to pay $400?
    Insured peoples premiums will go up at least 20% to cover the cost of the insurance companies having to accept pre-existing conditions from the ones that were just paying the $400 fee and not buying insurance. Instead of paying the $10,000 for your wife to have a baby, just wait till the third trimester, buy her insurance for $400 a month and then cancel it after the baby is born and the insurance company pays the $10,000.

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    I'm in calc 3. Its boring and easy.
    It'll get more fun when you get to Stokes Theorem tbh.

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    Just on economics, .
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    Insured peoples premiums will go up at least 20% to cover the cost of the insurance companies having to accept pre-existing conditions from the ones that were just paying the $400 fee and not buying insurance. Instead of paying the $10,000 for your wife to have a baby, just wait till the third trimester, buy her insurance for $400 a month and then cancel it after the baby is born and the insurance company pays the $10,000.
    Where do you buy insurance for $400? I've been looking all around here and there's nothing for under $1000 that doesn't have a $10K deductible... And I suspect that's going up...

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    will this $400 really cover everything? Sounds like it'll probably get even higher in the short future...then again...im no tax expert.
    Seems to me, one way or another, they will have to raise taxes. And by no small amount.

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    i think whats concerning is not really even the taxes or obamacare...probably the fact that the government is forcing people to actually purchase something.

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    Insured peoples premiums will go up at least 20% to cover the cost of the insurance companies having to accept pre-existing conditions from the ones that were just paying the $400 fee and not buying insurance. Instead of paying the $10,000 for your wife to have a baby, just wait till the third trimester, buy her insurance for $400 a month and then cancel it after the baby is born and the insurance company pays the $10,000.
    That is debatable.

    Not saying you are necessarily wrong (because I haven't done the research) but it's debatable.

    There are factors of this law that will create downward pressure on premiums, and factors which create upward pressure.

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    Where do you buy insurance for $400? I've been looking all around here and there's nothing for under $1000 that doesn't have a $10K deductible... And I suspect that's going up...
    It's not buying insurance, per se. It's taking the $400 tax hit for not having insurance. CC's scenario doesn't make sense if you're equating the tax to an actual premium.

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    I'm working, tbh
    I wonder how many places lose work productivity, and by how much, with people surfing instead of working...

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    It's not like the mother in the scenario can cancel the tax after delivery.

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    BTW, the PCIP monthly premium here (which is subsidized) is in the $600/mo range...

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    I wonder how many places lose work productivity, and by how much, with people surfing instead of working...
    I wonder why you would ask such an asinine question in a discussion of healthcare costs.

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    Seems to me, one way or another, they will have to raise taxes. And by no small amount.
    You do know that we already pay for the uninsured right now, right? This is without those uninsured paying even 400 a year.

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    BTW, the PCIP monthly premium here (which is subsidized) is in the $600/mo range...
    Mine too. But since I'm hitting the insurance company for about $173k/year for meds, I'm not ing about it too much.

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    I wonder how many places lose work productivity, and by how much, with people surfing instead of working...
    Well, I'm actually a part-owner, so it's in my best interest work gets done. And it is getting done.

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    I wonder how much productivity is lost be hiring WC.

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    I wonder how many places lose work productivity, and by how much, with people surfing instead of working...
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+produc...to+web+surfing

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    I wonder how much productivity is lost be hiring WC.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+idiots+do+real+work%3F

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    Mine too. But since I'm hitting the insurance company for about $173k/year for meds, I'm not ing about it too much.
    We're in the $2K/year range for doctor expenses... basically, can't afford even the subsidized PCIP...

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    I wonder how many places lose work productivity, and by how much, with people surfing instead of working...
    You watch DVD box sets at work.

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