Obamacare decision announced...

[Drachen]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+idiots+do+real+work%3F

OK, you can't do that! I am surfing at work and I was just looked at strangely as I literally LOLed

[ElNono]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+idiots+do+real+work%3F

[TheMACHINE]

i too am self employed and am working.

[Wild Cobra]

The answer to your question is laid out in the ACA, and has been answered in this thread.

If you don't have insurance you will pay a tax/fee/fine/royalty/penance/tribute of $95 in 2014, 2% of income or $395 in 2015, or 2.5% or $695 in 2016.

If you do have insurance, then you pay no tax/fee/fine/royalty/penance/tribute.

That addresses the amount. It doesn't address the how.

For example.

Will employers have to recalculate and add a line to their withholding? It can become a tricky thing. Part time during the year, more than one job, etc. The simplest way for employers may be to withhold from everyone, and require them to get it back at the end of the year. Then it complicates the tax system more for us.

[clambake]

That addresses the amount. It doesn't address the how.

For example.

Will employers have to recalculate and add a line to their withholding? It can become a tricky thing. Part time during the year, more than one job, etc. The simplest way for employers may be to withhold from everyone, and require them to get it back at the end of the year. Then it complicates the tax system more for us.

jesus, man

[Drachen]

That addresses the amount. It doesn't address the how.

For example.

Will employers have to recalculate and add a line to their withholding? It can become a tricky thing. Part time during the year, more than one job, etc. The simplest way for employers may be to withhold from everyone, and require them to get it back at the end of the year. Then it complicates the tax system more for us.

Wow really??? THIS is what you are going to about? There is a whole forest behind that twig of a tree.

[ElNono]

[boutons_deux]

easiest would be withhold public health insurance option from everybody's income (earned and unearned, no cap) to pay for a non-profit public health insurance.

That would still allow anybody to go buy for-profit insurance for "better" treatment and to cover non-covered medical expenses, just like now where Medicare people can buy additional for-profit insurance.

[Wild Cobra]

You watch DVD box sets at work.

That's because I am only needed when operational equipment has a failure. Trust me, I have a fair share of work that gets done.

LOL...

I heard an operator complain to the plant manager the other day, that our section does so little work. He told her that he likes it when we are sitting down. That means all his equipment is running.

[MannyIsGod]

Lol

[Wild Cobra]

Wow really??? THIS is what you are going to about? There is a whole forest behind that twig of a tree.

It is a valid curiosity.

[TheMACHINE]

one of my buddies on FB wrote this as a response to someone who likes obamacare cuz itll make insurance more afordable and make americans healthier:

"Well, im pretty sure our insurance premiums are going to skyrocket to cover for those who will be paying the "tax" and and will be going to see the doctor more often. So yes, i guess you can say better health for Americans (although programs like this usually lead to loss of jobs and innovation ) but definately not going to be more affordable."

is she right?

[Wild Cobra]

Well, I'm actually a part-owner, so it's in my best interest work gets done. And it is getting done.

Well, I'm actually a part-owner, so it's in my best interest work gets done. And it is getting done.

LOL...

Same person? Accidental dual posting?

[ChumpDumper]

Makes sense that WC makes a livelihood off of failure.

[scott]

one of my buddies on FB wrote this as a response to someone who likes obamacare cuz itll make insurance more afordable and make americans healthier:

"Well, im pretty sure our insurance premiums are going to skyrocket to cover for those who will be paying the "tax" and and will be going to see the doctor more often. So yes, i guess you can say better health for Americans (although programs like this usually lead to loss of jobs and innovation ) but definately not going to be more affordable."

is she right?

Premiums might go up, they might even skyrocket, but it won't be for those reasons.

[TheMACHINE]

LOL...

Same person? Accidental dual posting?

whatcha talking about?

[ElNono]

LOL...

Same person? Accidental dual posting?

Don't know TheMachine, tbh

[clambake]

Makes sense that WC makes a livelihood off of failure.

i thought it was hilarious how he said it's always the same parts breaking.

[Drachen]

one of my buddies on FB wrote this as a response to someone who likes obamacare cuz itll make insurance more afordable and make americans healthier:

"Well, im pretty sure our insurance premiums are going to skyrocket to cover for those who will be paying the "tax" and and will be going to see the doctor more often. So yes, i guess you can say better health for Americans (although programs like this usually lead to loss of jobs and innovation ) but definately not going to be more affordable."

is she right?

The biggest difference between the uninsured now and the uninsured after this starts is the tax.

Before: uninsured goes to ER because they are sick, they get treated/billed/don't pay (costs get passed on to the insured or tax payer)

After: uninsured goes to ER because they are sick, they get treated/billed/don't pay (costs get passed on to the insured or tax payer - $400 (or whatever amount) that the uninsured paid.)

[TheMACHINE]

Premiums might go up, they might even skyrocket, but it won't be for those reasons.

for what reasons? how bout the job loss part and innovation?

[TheMACHINE]

The biggest difference between the uninsured now and the uninsured after this starts is the tax.

Before: uninsured goes to ER because they are sick, they get treated/billed/don't pay (costs get passed on to the insured or tax payer)

After: uninsured goes to ER because they are sick, they get treated/billed/don't pay (costs get passed on to the insured or tax payer - $400 (or whatever amount) that the uninsured paid.)

but this will affect the insured cuz of higher premiums right? will this affect which doctors we can see or what inurance company we can use?

[scott]

for what reasons? how bout the job loss part and innovation?

"Well, im pretty sure our insurance premiums are going to skyrocket to cover for those who will be paying the "tax" and and will be going to see the doctor more often"

Those reasons.

And the second part is debatable.

[Drachen]

but this will affect the insured cuz of higher premiums right? will this affect which doctors we can see or what inurance company we can use?

We already pay higher premiums to cover the ~46 million uninsured. This will lessen the amount of uninsured and for those who stay uninsured, they have to pay SOME money into the system.

[scott]

but this will affect the insured cuz of higher premiums right? will this affect which doctors we can see or what inurance company we can use?

maybe. no.

[Drachen]

"Well, im pretty sure our insurance premiums are going to skyrocket to cover for those who will be paying the "tax" and and will be going to see the doctor more often"

Those reasons.

And the second part is debatable.

Why would those paying the tax go to see the doctor more often? They still won't have insurance, so they will need to pay full price for the Dr. visit, just like today.