Obamacare decision announced...

[johnsmith]

I bet the middle class gets ed from this tbh.

I know next to nothing about obamacare, but I know that anything the United States government does that changes stuff, s the middle class.

GO USA!

[clambake]

Ok, I am going to the coast now. Yall have fun with this.

check for BP logos on your catch! just kidding

[ElNono]

the middle class certainly will feel this the most, IMO... they make enough not to qualify for much of the subsidies, but not enough to purchase anything but very high deductible insurance... which if you don't max out over a year, you're basically paying out of pocket...

[cheguevara]

welfare state

corporate welfare state

[coyotes_geek]

I disagree with that. There are certain thing, like exchanges across state lines, that will put downward pressure on premiums. There are provisions that are downward pressure points and some that are upward pressure points.

I think the exchanges would have helped had the bill not added a bunch of requirements that make most of the insurance plans look the same. Seems to me like we went from more products in fewer stores to fewer products in more stores.

[coyotes_geek]

my point is that if they visit a doctor (more often that some contend) they will be out of pocket where they weren't before.

Understand. My counterpoint is that people will be more inclined to make additional trips to the doctor if it's only going to cost them a $20 copay everytime they go as opposed to $200 for the full cost of the visit.

[ChumpDumper]

I am not aware of any tax imposed on individuals for not buying gasoline and not earning income, or not taking a bath or not working in a home office.

There is a tax on not living anymore.

[boutons_deux]

I bet the middle class gets ed from this tbh.

I know next to nothing about obamacare, but I know that anything the United States government does that changes stuff, s the middle class.

GO USA!

not as much as the UCA, health and financial sectors the middle class.

As long as it can be called "free market" and "capitalism", You People don't object to getting ed.

[Jacob1983]

Isn't a large portion of the debt a result of America's lovefest with en lement programs?

[clambake]

Understand. My counterpoint is that people will be more inclined to make additional trips to the doctor if it's only going to cost them a $20 copay everytime they go as opposed to $200 for the full cost of the visit.

if they pay for insurance they will have $0 to whatever copay their coverage allows.

if they don't get insurance and pay the fine, they will be responsible for paying their office visit.

i haven't seen anything that suggest paying the fine gets you office visit coverage. did i miss something?

[TeyshaBlue]

if they pay for insurance they will have $0 to whatever copay their coverage allows.

if they don't get insurance and pay the fine, they will be responsible for paying their office visit.

i haven't seen anything that suggest paying the fine gets you office visit coverage. did i miss something?

Nope. That's pretty much it. Tax <> Insurance policy.

[clambake]

Nope. That's pretty much it. Tax <> Insurance policy.

now, could you imagine doctors that would wave their office fees for these people?

that would certainly take the pressure off abortion clinics.

[boutons_deux]

the penalty is way too low. It should be equal to what the market price for a healthy person.

[clambake]

the penalty is way too low.

true

[coyotes_geek]

if they pay for insurance they will have $0 to whatever copay their coverage allows.

if they don't get insurance and pay the fine, they will be responsible for paying their office visit.

i haven't seen anything that suggest paying the fine gets you office visit coverage. did i miss something?

I see where we got crossed up. You're talking about people with no insurance who are paying the fine and I'm talking about people who are going to be given insurance that they don't have to pay for.

[clambake]

I'm talking about people who are going to be given insurance that they don't have to pay for.

wait, what?

[coyotes_geek]

wait, what?

Certain low income folks are going to get refundable tax credits to buy their insurance with.

[ElNono]

Isn't a large portion of the debt a result of America's lovefest with en lement programs?

More like politicians lovefest with power...

[PublicOption]

This Thomas/money thing is funny. I wonder if any of the resident liberals here looked up the facts over that. I'm just waiting for them to make fools of themselves more than ShazBot already has.

can't have a federal income tax, if you think obamacare is uncons utional....think about it.

[clambake]

Certain low income folks are going to get refundable tax credits to buy their insurance with.

keep going. where's the qualifications on that? what are the parameters?

[PublicOption]

next stop......................break up the insurance monopolies.

6 insurance companies for 300 million people=monopoly

think about it.

[CosmicCowboy]

keep going. where's the qualifications on that? what are the parameters?

I'm not sure why you are busting his balls on this. It's common knowledge and has always been a talking point in support of the plan.

[coyotes_geek]

keep going. where's the qualifications on that? what are the parameters?

Link below should answer all your questions about this.

http://healthreformgps.org/resources...nce-exchanges/

[clambake]

I'm not sure why you are busting his balls on this. It's common knowledge and has always been a talking point in support of the plan.

i'm not in any way trying to bust his balls. i want to know what the parameters are for those getting tax refunded/subsidized health insurance.

have you seen it?

[clambake]

Link below should answer all your questions about this.

http://healthreformgps.org/resources...nce-exchanges/

thanks

i'll be reading now.