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Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
gotta spend more time on that. the ambiguity on that is stifling!
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
we could have both died if you tried to do that.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
i need a longer snorkel.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
we could have both died if you tried to do that.
Definitely. I read just enough to determine that it was talking about what I thought it was talking about, and even that made my head hurt.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
Romney Blasts Supreme Court, Calling Healthcare Act ‘Worst Idea I Ever Had’
Just minutes after the Supreme Court upheld President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney slammed the Court, calling the law “the worst idea I ever had.”
“I vow to repeal this law on my first day in office,” he told a crowd at a campaign rally. “Until then, I will work tirelessly to make people forget that I used to totally love it.”
At the White House, President Obama greeted the news of the Court’s decision in muted fashion: “I haven’t been this pumped since I smoked bin Laden.”
Dissenters in the 5-4 decision included Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote, “The only medical procedures the government should pay for are forced transvaginal ultrasounds and exorcisms.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also had harsh words for the healthcare law, telling reporters, “Under Obamacare, you will be forced to marry a gay doctor.”
http://www.borowitzreport.com/
So if the republicans win the senate and the WH and keep the house, can they repeal the ACA or can the dems filibuster to prevent it from being repealed (assuming repups don't have 60 in the senate which is obviously not happening)?
The more I look into this the crazier it gets. This thing is going to cost BILLIONS more than they projected because of people like me.
The biggie is going to be the insurance subsidies. Insurance is going to be subsidized for everyone making up to 4X the poverty level or $88,000. There is no way they can pay for them without raising income taxes substantially on those that are paying taxes.
From a selfish standpoint I guess I should be for it if if wasn't going to finish bankrupting the country.
I know that I am a small employer that currently pays 100% of insurance for employee and family, but with a high deductible. When this goes through I can drop their insurance, give them all $2 an hour raises and they will get lower deductible federally subsidized insurance than I can currently buy for the same out of pocket cost.
I'm a small enough company that the penalty won't apply to me and since I run my corporation to show zero profit the tax credit won't help. I can quit paying for insurance, let uncle sam pick up the tab for my employees and put $75,000 in my pocket after buying a personal policy for myself.
gotta see how it plays out in 2014, but i hear ya.
Twenty democratic senators are up for relection in 2014, so if the republicans were somehow able to pull off a Romney win I don't think they'd need to make it all the way to 60 to get past a filibuster. They'd probably be able to pick off some dems scared for their jobs. But the republicans would still need to get at least into the mid 50s this november and it's incredibly unlikely that's going to happen. Not to mention the obvious problem of Romney winning in the first place.
I predict the country won't go bankrupt over this...
Bold prediction, tbh
I'd be curious to know what percentage of the country lives in a household that's under that 4x line. I'll bet you it's easily half, if not two thirds.
I don't think it will take too long after implementation for everyone to realize that the subsidies are going to need to get scaled back quite a bit. For this to survive in any form you'd have to scale back the subsidies and jack up the fines.
Already is.
When did the US default on it's debt? Oh, wait, it hasn't.
Or actually attack the cost of care...
Does this guy make a good point?
" Well, as far as paying goes, as a nation we spend twice as much per person for healthcare and receive much worse care. Will this bill help alleviate that? I have no damn idea, single payer would do that, but this is a big question mark. I t...hink it might possibly help though, consider the following situation:
I don't have insurance, and when my appendix almost burst I had to go to the ER (three times, due to complications post surgery). I couldn't afford it, and got signed up to the state's MSI program (basically it's medicaid for low income people). They paid my bills, which wound up being about $50,000. That much money could have paid for a LOT of check-ups and regular visits. I have to think that if I had had regular healthcare and my operation had been done without any ER visits, it would ultimately have cost the tax payers way, way less.
So, cross your fingers that this thing is an effective piece of legislation that hasn't been mutilated too badly by political cat-fighting. The last thing small business owners like you and me need is to have yet another high cost. I wish places of employment had nothing to do with healthcare, and that we had a single payer system though. If that makes me a socialist, so be it. I can't wrap my head around how it will ever be moral or ethical to make money off of people's pain and suffering. And anyway, we have tons of "socialist" programs already: the police, firemen, the VA, etc.
Whatever happened to the American idea of taking all the best ideas from other countries and using them in a hybrid system to our benefit? Fusion, baby. Embrace it!"
The fine is actually close to the cost of buying insurance up to probably 2X the poverty level, because of all the subsidies. A family making $50,000 gross could actually end up paying $600 a year for health insurance. Obviously the other $10,000+ of cost is picked up by SOMEBODY...multiply this by millions and you start talking some serious jack.
Here's the subsidy calculator if you want to run some numbers:
http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx
More like $3,300/year for a family of 4... or $800+ per person...
It’s a too-good-to-be true deal for the insurance companies.
A major “victory” for a President and his party who are deep into the pockets of said insurance companies.
Republicans get their stupid ideas turned into law and they get to pretend that they are pissed about it.
A win-win all around.
Except if you work for a living.
How is Obamacare going to reduce costs?
If it doesn’t reduce costs, Obamacare becomes a political sledgehammer that the Repugs and Demoncrats can use to bludgeon Social Security & Medicare.
Obamacare delivers more profits to our corporate masters, provides more ammunition for the Austerity wrecking crew, and serves a tidy propaganda purpose of killing the notion of health care for all.
So? Our dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power since 1913 due to the Fed's money printing... that's the real reason we're broke, tbh...
So? Our country's production has grown way beyond 97% since 1913... we're not broke, nor under any major inflation... every currency has been devalued over a 100 year period.
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