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    Orlando would have done a sign and trade for a second round pick so he could stay Bird. It's an unwritten rule in the NBA that you do that when the other team could sign the guy outright anyways, to keep from pissing off agents. I mean if Cleveland could sign-and-trade LeBron there's no way Orlando wouldn't have done the same.
    Don't know the exact rules, but s&t with this new CBA isn't that much different than signing outright with another team. This was a major move on the owner's part to ensure franchise players don't bolt like LeBron and Bosh.

    EDIT: here we go:

    That's one of the rules that no longer exist in the new CBA, as John Schuhmann writes. Sign-and-trades work like free agent signings: no additional year, no bigger raises and, as Schuhmann notes, no incentive for Dwight Howard and the Nets (or the Mavericks) to do a sign-and-trade with the Magic after July 1. Of course, there's the issue of the additional year Howard would lose if he signs with the Nets but as Schuhmann notes, the Nets have leverage too "because Orlando's not getting anything back if they keep Howard past the deadline and he ultimately chooses to play in Brooklyn next season."

    This is the biggest reason Dwight is pouting. He doesn't have the same leverage LeBron and Carmelo had.
    Last edited by Kai; 07-01-2012 at 05:15 PM.

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    Don't know the exact rules, but s&t with this new CBA isn't that much different than signing outright with another team. This was a major move on the owner's part to ensure franchise players don't bolt like LeBron and Bosh.
    EDIT: OK, you were right. Now I see where you were coming from there. LOL Dwight thought he could have it both ways. Wow, the players got ed even worse than I initially thought by this new CBA.

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    The Bird raises dropped to 7.5%, non-Bird are 4.5%. Bird limit is 5 years, non-Bird 4. Nevertheless, it's virtually guaranteed he would have been signed-and-traded Full Bird, whether it was from Orlando or a rental like Houston/LA when moving onto Brooklyn had he not waived the opt-out.
    S&T would render the bird rights useless for Dwight, if I understand the new CBA correctly.

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    Damn you for quoting my post before I changed it after reading your link!

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    I think it's a good move by the owners tbh. Unless a player has irreparable differences with his team and forces a trade (like Dwight), he really has to give up a lot to leave the team he got famous with. Too many teams are getting ed because of simple geography.

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    Of course it's a good move from the owner's standpoint, as it greatly lessens what an RFA can make. I bet you'd hate that kind of rule applying to you in real life though.

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    Dwight Howard: I'll only re-sign with one team

    Orlando Magic star Dwight Howard told Yahoo! Sports he will not re-sign with a team outside his preferred list that trades for him, and emphatically denied that he ever used the term "blackmail" to describe how Magic officials convinced him to waive his early termination option.

    As the Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets and other teams prepare possible trade offers for him, Howard told Yahoo! by phone that, "There’s only one team on my list and if I don’t get traded there, I'll play the season out and explore my free agency after that."

    Howard wouldn’t specify the team, but multiple league sources believe that it is the Brooklyn Nets.

    Howard also denied an ESPN report that he had told people Orlando Magic officials had “blackmailed” him into forgoing the early termination option on his contract that ultimately cost him his free agency this summer.

    "I never used the word blackmail in reference to any of my dealings with the Magic," Howard said. “I never said that. It’s defamatory and it’s inaccurate. I know what blackmail means and any report that I used the term incorrectly is inaccurate."


    Howard met with new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan on Friday in Los Angeles, and said he told Hennigan of his desire to be traded. However, Howard insisted he was merely repeating a position he had made clear to Magic officials since waiving his ETO in March.

    "This was not the first time [that I asked for trade]," Howard said. "I communicated this to [Magic president] Alex [Martins] and [former general manager] Otis [Smith] way before Friday that I wanted to be traded – months before this meeting with Rob Hennigan. That was all way before Stan [Van Gundy] got fired."


    Howard is rehabilitating from back surgery, and wouldn’t speculate on whether he could be prepared to return for the start of the regular season. Howard had a herniated disk repaired, and sizable fragments of bone removed on April 20. Before the diagnosis that Howard would require season-ending surgery late in the Magic's regular season, Howard had heard the suggestions inside and outside the organization that perhaps he wasn’t truly injured, that maybe he had bailed on his team.

    "I’ve never faked anything," Howard told Yahoo! Sports. "I’d never fake a back injury to not play for my team. I played a lot of games in a lot of pain, and there were times that I was crying in the locker room afterward because I was so seriously hurt. But I kept fighting. I’ve played with a cracked sternum in the past, and played with a lot of different [injuries].

    "This time, I couldn't play. Regardless of what people say, 'Hey, you’re Superman,' I'm a man. I bleed. And I have bones, too. And something happened that I couldn’t control.


    "It really upset me that anyone would say that I was doing something out of spite for my team or my city. I have the utmost respect for the Magic organization, for the people of Orlando. Everything I did was from my heart, and I would never do anything to betray my city."


    Howard discussed something else that had become synonymous with his season, and that was the bizarre April 5 shootaround in Orlando when his former coach, Stan Van Gundy, told reporters that Orlando management had informed him that Howard had requested his firing. The video of Howard walking into a scrum of reporters, unaware of what Van Gundy had said, went viral. Ultimately, it became a flashpoint of criticism toward Howard.

    When asked if he felt set up, Howard told Yahoo! Sports: “I did. I had no clue about what had happened, about what he had said. I wanted to clear it up that this was not what was happening behind closed doors, and I stepped into something that I didn’t know how to handle. It hurts me to this day, thinking about how people were saying these things about me, calling me, "a coach killer," and all this crazy stuff. It upset me, it hurt a lot."

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    Dwight Howard just needs to join the Heat and be done with it.

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    orlando magic your thoughts on this story:


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    orlando magic your thoughts on this story:

    The writers are such assholes for having he and Nerese come out so clean.

    That pissed me off more than Dukie becoming Bubbles Jr tbh.

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    I'd still trade for him and dare him to take less money, alot less. If he walks, then fine he walks. But he already proved once that he'll blink.

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    Get over it dude...you got Omar Asik..

    7' ft getting 25 million



    Dude is likely from Pakistan, has zero career double doubles, has never scored 10 points in a single game. It very well may be that he's never scored more than 5 points in a single game tbh

    Here is his career bio :

    2.9 ppg
    4.4 rbs
    0.8 blks

    .529 fg % which is pretty dam good


    7' ft getting 25 million

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    Get over it dude...you got Omar Asik..

    7' ft getting 25 million



    Dude is likely from Pakistan, has zero career double doubles, has never scored 10 points in a single game. It very well may be that he's never scored more than 5 points in a single game tbh

    Here is his career bio :

    2.9 ppg
    4.4 rbs
    0.8 blks

    .529 fg % which is pretty dam good


    7' ft getting 25 million
    I thought you were joking about the career stats, until i looked it up for myself. holy , what is rocket's management doing?

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    I thought you were joking about the career stats, until i looked it up for myself. holy , what is rocket's management doing?
    Honestly don't know.

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    Get over it dude...you got Omar Asik..

    7' ft getting 25 million



    Dude is likely from Pakistan, has zero career double doubles, has never scored 10 points in a single game. It very well may be that he's never scored more than 5 points in a single game tbh

    Here is his career bio :

    2.9 ppg
    4.4 rbs
    0.8 blks

    .529 fg % which is pretty dam good


    7' ft getting 25 million
    Kobe 30 million until he retires
    Stuck with Poo Poo Pau.

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    Kobe 30 million until he retires
    Stuck with Poo Poo Pau.
    Still more productive than Omar Asik though.

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    Still more productive than Omar Asik though.
    All is well if Chicago matches it, like is being reported.

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    Kobe 30 million until he retires
    Stuck with Poo Poo Pau.
    Omar got the contract offer and was quietly saying to himself:" These Mutha as"...

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    Kobe 30 million until he retires
    Stuck with Poo Poo Pau.
    I think I'd rather have TOSBryant at $60 million than Asik at $25 million, real talk.

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    I think I'd rather have TOSBryant at $60 million than Asik at $25 million, real talk.
    If the Bulls match it they match it. If they don't, then I'm not sweatin' it because it's not like the Rockets are a playoff contender anyway.

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    ing basketball players are such primadonnas these days.

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    If the Bulls match it they match it. If they don't, then I'm not sweatin' it because it's not like the Rockets are a playoff contender anyway.
    I really don't see how it's possible for CHI to match.

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    Broussard just said that Dallas and LAL are on Howard's list, with Dallas being in the lead.

    Triple d dynasty?

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    LA actually has assets. If Bynum is offered, a deal gets done (and LA can afford to do that).

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