Duncan has left a total of 10M on the table. He was paid the max allowable under the rules until the last extension which covered the most recent two seasons.
Well, as far as the cap hold goes, it is true that we have to re-sign Duncan before we can eliminate that cap hold. However, we are not going to be using salary-cap space to sign anyone. We are using one or both of the exceptions and those don't require Duncans contract to be signed. So in other words, they are going to wait to sign Duncan until they figure out what they can pay him without getting too far into luxury tax territory.
Business-wise, that's the most reasonable post I have read in a long time.
I know, was just kidding.
Duncan can basically control whether he gets a 5th. If he uses up all the cap space he's not getting a fifth. He signs for less, then it's possible. However, if it won't make a difference as far as getting new players he should go for every penny Peter Holt has.
And the Spurs rewarded him by getting a big man that would offer interior help. Nope they spent that 10M on resigning Richard Jefferson and going after wings. The whole point of leaving money on the table was so they could improve the team not to save Peter Holt money.
It won't make a difference. A lowball offer gains the Spurs zero additional flexibility to add talent. The Spurs are operating with limited assets to get that "edge" on a fifth banner irrespective of Duncan's contract.
There's no meaningful cap space unless he signs for the minimum.
2 years 20-22 million would be perfect and fair, any years or money guaranteed past that will be head scratching. I love Tim but we got to start rebuilding sooner then later.
I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?
Looking at the cap space for next year, to me it makes it really hard to decide what to do.
Assuming Tim signs for 10M and they waive Bonner after the season, Spurs are only at ~26M with Tim/TP/Kawhi under contract. So while it's nice to win now, I might be happier with short term deals only/value deals to keep that cap space when guys like Dwight are FA's possibly or guys like:
Josh Smith
Richard Jefferson
CP3
Bynum
Harden
Ibaka
Dwight
Milsap
It all depends on how this year goes. If he can stay healthy all year and be productive, he'll probably want to play at least one more season. I just never want to see him in another NBA uniform.
Agreed, but the timing of his contract makes things very murky. If he was expiring the same year as Tim, it makes it easier.
Hopefully all is well and he does one more year.
lol RJ
Was wondering if someone would catch that.
I guess in thinking about it, I really think the Spurs are in a good spot and should keep cap space for the following year heavily in mind when making deals. Luckily, they will have most of the same team back so they should be compe ive. Even if they sign a guy like Diaw or Lorbek, it shouldn't eat too much into their cap space (5M a year max for either, likely less for Lorbek). Keeping Danny might cost 4M. That takes the Spurs to ~36M next year with Tim/TP/Kawhi/Boris or Lorbek/Green and still a lot of cap space to sign a max contract player.
I'm pretty sure Manu will be getting at least the full mid level exception from many teams. If Manu comes back for 2 years/11 million, then I'm up for it. If he asks for $8 million a year then I probably wouldn't do it unless he averages 20 ppg this season, and wins us a championship.
The Spurs messed up by lowballing Manu the first time. Now he's got a higher salary and not as good.
What are you talking about?
I was thinking the same thing. The ideal contract for Tim from here on would be year-to-year. That way if Manu decides to leave or hang up his boots, Tim could do the same and we'd have a bucketload of cash to throw at an FA. Or maybe Manu wants to play another year so Tim decides to do the same. Ideally, Tim and Manu retire at the same time which will take ~24-28mil off our cap.
PS It's a wet dream, but Josh Smith as a Spur to play with these guys until Tim retires would bring us another ring. He's athletic, elite defender, runs the floor well, perfect fit. Sure, he's a headcase, but Tim and Pop could bring him into line (just like they did with Jax)... how to get it done is the question. Yeah, I know, pipe dream...
I hope for Manu's sake he can hang it up and enjoy his time with his boys before they get too big but knowing Manu he's going to want to play as long as he can. He's already accomplished enough in his career. I would love to have him around in the front office or as an assistant coach like we do with many of our former players but I really don't think he wants to stick around after he retires.I know it's not the time, but what do people think Manu does after this year? Retire, re-sign, go to another team?
Last edited by TMTTRIO; 07-03-2012 at 12:27 AM.
His contract before his current one was around 10mil per year when he definitely deserved more. He was underpaid for several years. He's earning around 13m per year now because the Spurs felt they had to make up for it.
From what I remember he was playing damn good in 2010, and was about to be a free agent, until they gave him a extension in the middle of the season. I never heard of such a thing that the Spurs felt they have to make up for his low salary, unless it's speculation.
The are you talking about. Ginobili got top dollar in the summer of 2004. Many people thought the Spurs actually overpaid him -- even Spurs fans at the time said it was too much. In retrospect, it was obviously a good deal but at the time it was also fair.
His current deal is what it is because it was the max extension the Spurs could give him and they wanted to keep him off the free agent market. There was no rewarding for a prior lowball or whatever.
Parker got something like 13 and it's hard to argue Parker was worth that much more than him during his last contract period. It's hard to argue that 10m a year was fair in the middle of his contract when he was winning sixth man of the year.
You don't renegotiate in the middle of contracts; this isn't the NFL. He was paid at or above market value for his second contract at the time he signed it and outperformed it. They rewarded him with a maxed out deal based on his previous contract.
Parker's value has nothing to do with Manu; and many people thought Parker's value was fair for what he brought to the team. I would say he outperformed it this past year and has a chance to outperform it for the next two if he remains the focal point of the offense.
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